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When all else fails, beat it to death: :D

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No pics yet but the 23 Kryptonite will be there with flying colors!

Looking forward to it Kirk!

Thanks for making to the meeting today! Good to see your support....:cool:

We certainly would be willing to build a 24 or 23 for the class. We also have a 19 as well.

don't forget this one.

My hat is off to the SOB guys. You are what racing is about, you have a class to offer, found a sanctioning body (OPA) and are moving forward.

This will be a great class and potentially the backbone of offshore racing.

I know Ocke Mannerfelt (bat boats) has some boats for this class racing in Europe. With that being the case what an opportunity for Chris Reindl to expand the number of boats he has racing in the US.

Rick

Chris,

As much as I would love to see your boats run with these guys, and the fact that a race class is already in place for your Bat Boats, by a Majority Vote so far on the rules proposal, the racers have opted not to allow any Wing Styled Boats, Tunnel Vees or Catamarans in this class.
They are going to try to keep it strictly 20ft 7"(21) to 24 ft conventional vee bottom with or without steps and or pads.
Should you have something in the works without the wings, by all means, bring it on!;)
These guys sound like they love competition! :)

Sounds to me like these guys hate innovation, safety, competition and a large class. UIM runs similar rules and ocke's boats do very well there and are popular -BECAUSE THEY ARE SAFER. Looking at the above PICS of the open canopy boats shooting toward the moon, is there anything safe about that? There are always ways to slow a boat down to make it competitive with other boat styles. We would be willing to start with a 500 lb weight penalty and go from there... increasing it if our boats were to "run away" from the class.

Obviously with the class we run we enjoy tight racing. Where else have officials had to say they could not tell which one won a race because they were too close?

Worst case scenario is we run to fast and add more weight to slow us down. Let me know what they say, but it doesn't sound like they like competition to me.

Chris,

Please do not take this as a slap in the face or anything like that. Starting off fresh like this we are trying to keep everything as SIMPLE as possible. Being that the SOB's are not off the ground as of yet we do not want to discourage anyone thinking of running this class. Thus, a majority vote was won in favor of the terms that SharkeyMarine stated. The Bats do have a competitive edge over the V bottoms slated to be participating already.

I do want you to know that You and Your Bats were brought up and talked about numerously over the course of meetings and discussion so far. Once things are more slated either Sharkey or I will be in touch sometime after the holidays. You are a great business man and racer. I promise you that will be in touch with you to discuss things further in a professional manner.
I look forward to our future discussions after the Holidays.

Thank You,
Dennis P Tracey
[email protected]

Hey guys!

Here is the final tally on the proposal of rules for the SOB's.
This is only to give the OPA and idea where these guys would like to see this class go.
It is only a "Proposal" and of course leaves room for discussion and compromise.
See you all at the meeting tomorrow!


Proposed Rules For SOB Class

Voted on by potential racers looking to race this class if it becomes a reality.




Hulls:

-------------------------------------Yes - No - No/Answer

Any conventional vee bottom stepped or padded allowed
Yes 23 No 0-0

Minimum length: 20 ft 7 inches Yes 21 No 1-1

Maximum length: 24 ft 0 inches Yes 18 No 3-2

“Vee-Hull Designs Only” No Wing Styled Boats, Tunnel-Vees or Catamarans Yes 21 No 1-1

No Minimum Weight Yes 12 No 6-5

Minimum weight w/driver up to 200hp = 2000#, 2.4 - 2.5 ltr 2300#, 300hp or more=2600# Yes 8 No 9-6

Agreed weights: up to 200hp = 2.4 - 2.5 ltr 300hp or more=

All boats to have a fixed X-Dimension Yes 6 No 17-0

All boats to have the same engine height (Measured from the center of the prop shaft &bottom of the boat) Yes 4 No 18-1

Hydraulic Jacks Plates allowed Yes14 No 7-2

Set-back brackets allowed Yes 23 No 0-0

Crew onboard: Second Occupant Optional (Providing sanctioned rules approve it) Yes 20 No 2-1
No letters, Number only to minimum height set by Sanctioning Body’s Rules Yes 18 No 1-4

Display letters A & B for location of occupants in boat (on deck & bottom) Yes 17 No 4-2

Ballast Tanks to be allowed Yes 9 No 12-2

Remote water pickups allowed Yes 12 No10-1

If Minimum weight becomes a rule, Racer’s will supply a lifting harness for their boat Yes 16 No 5-2

Maximum Speed capped @ 90 mph Yes 10 No 12-1

No Capped Speed or Bracket racing for this class Yes 13 No 8-8

Allow Single Inboards to race in this class Yes 2 No 21-0







Engines:

Any Single Outboard Engine by any Manufacturer Yes 23 No 0-0

Any octane pump gasoline only (No alcohol, nitros, etc.) Yes 17 No 6- 0

Any type fuel including Alcohol Yes 8 No 15 -0





Races:

Maximum 1 hour time limit Yes 16 No 3-4

Total Distance 60 miles Yes 11 No 6-6

Total Distance 50 miles Yes 7 No 4-12

Total Distance 40 miles Yes 4 No 5-14

Total Distance 30 miles Yes 5 No 6 12

Race without any other classes Yes 14 No 4-5

Race with the other classes at the same time Yes 7 No 11-5

Courses to be determined by sanctioning body

Depending on the number of entries, it is 1st choice to run this class by itself.

Safety:

Follow All Safety Rules and Equipment requirements of the sanctioning body.

This is what the majority voted yes for:


Proposed Rules For SOB Class

Proposed Rules For SOB Class
Voted on by the potential racers of the class.


Hulls:
-------------------------------------------Yes No - N/A

Any conventional vee bottom stepped or padded allowed Yes 23 No 0 0

Minimum length: 20 ft 7 inches Yes 21 No 1 1

Maximum length: 24 ft 0 inches Yes 18 No 3 2

“Vee-Hull Designs Only” No Wing Styled Boats, Tunnel-Vees or Catamarans Yes 21 No 1 1

No Minimum Weight Yes 12 No 6 5

Hydraulic Jacks Plates allowed Yes 14 No 7 2

Set-back brackets allowed Yes 23 No 0 0

Crew onboard: Second Occupant Optional (Providing sanctioned rules approve it) Yes 20 No 2 1

No letters, Number only to minimum height set by Sanctioning Body’s Rules Yes 18 No 1 4

Display letters A & B for location of occupants in boat (on deck & bottom) Yes 17 No 4 2

Ballast Tanks to be allowed (12 to 9 Voted No Ballast tanks) Yes 9 No 12 2

Remote water pickups allowed Yes 12 No 10 1

If Minimum weight becomes a rule, Racer’s will supply a lifting harness for their boat Yes 16 No 5 2

Maximum Speed capped @ 90 mph (Could still happen if Sanctioning Body Wants it) Yes 10 No 12 1

No Capped Speed or Bracket racing for this class Yes 13 No 8 2





Engines:


Any Single Outboard Engine by any Manufacturer Yes 23 No 0 0

Any octane pump gasoline only (No alcohol, nitros, etc.) Yes 17 No 6 0




Races:


Maximum 1 hour time limit Yes 16 No 3 4

Total Distance 60 miles Yes 11 No 6 6

Race without any other classes Yes 14 No 4 5



Courses to be determined by sanctioning body

Depending on the number of entries, it is 1st choice to run this class by itself.


Safety:

Follow All Safety Rules and Equipment requirements of the sanctioning body.

After speaking with Kurt & Smitty on Friday night, they are both optimistic that things can be worked out to get the SOB's out there racing.

Their largest concern seem to be the safety as well as the top-end speed of these boats.

After our discussions, I feel that the SOB's will have a place in this organization.

I am looking forward to seeing everyone again at Saturday's meeting.

Please try to arrive early. We only have the place till 3PM.

Thanks again for everyone's support!

This just may be the year!
 

It was just over a year ago that we had these great supporters of the SOB's.
With this year's enthusiasm from all sides, this year, it just may become a reality...




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12-5-2002 T2x: Just a thought guys...........................

Now is the time for a restart of a true startup class.....single engine outboard. There are literally hundreds of them in the northeast from 20-24 feet....and it is the least expensive way in.

T2x.........
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RonP:Oh I hear a P 6 class comming!

Good idea Rich, we are going after a grass roots effort and this might be just the ticket.

How do we reach them?
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A.Pensa: T2x, everyone is welcome to come to the meeting as well as race and you're right,single engine outboard boats would be a great addition to the Jersey shore races.Stay tuned for updates and meeting info,dates,times and where?
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SmittyMarine:News flash wazzup Jr has a 17' single ob rocket ya never know.
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Bruce Seroff: oh boy...here we go

actually, thats not a bad idea.

Make a short course..two or three laps. let them be the kick off race before all the big boats go
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Bruce Seroff:I like that 21 to 24 single outboard class..i think it would get a pretty good turnout
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Bruce Seroff:ITS SHOW TIME
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Great showing today by the SOBs. Hopefully it will all come together and the OPA family will grow by embracing this new class.

Everything went great at the meeting Saturday!
The OPA will take back our thoughts about the SOB's and go over each point that was discussed. They said they will have a final decision in the next couple of weeks. Everyone is very optimistic that this could work. Throughout the entire meeting, I did not hear anyone say anything about keeping the organization to only 5 classes. I feel that is a positive sign.
The SOB's will be waiting their reply.....
Thanks to all that turned out for the support of the SOB's, including those of you that are already racing P1-P5. You made it clear by telling OPA you want them to do whatever it takes to add boats to the organization.
Thank you! :cool:

THANK YOU!!!!!
 

Along with everything SharkeyMarine stated in the previous post I would also like to say Thank You to OPA and all the Racers that really showed the support we received from all of you today. I would also like to add a Thank You to Rich Luhrs for making a great the opening presentation for the SOB's today.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!
:cool: :cool: :cool:

Thank you Darren & Rich Luhrs for S. O. B. "Supporting Our Boats"

S.O.B Single Outboard Boats could not have done it without you both!

These S O B's "Son of B******" are all very greatful for taking your time out on Saturday!

:cool: :cool: :cool:

Thank you coming to Saturday's meeting Herb, of Intimidator Boats

Richie Sutphen Jr. was also in attendance:Thank you!

Fixed Costs & Schedule
 

Fixed Costs & Schedule
So far, here is some info for the SOB's that were unable to attend the meeting Saturday:

Annual OPA Membership..............................$100.00

Annual Equipment Registration:..................$450.00

Per Event Registration P1 - P5....................$500.00

Per Event Reg. for SOB's ..........."To Be Determined"

We will wait and see what the OPA proposal has to say as far as the race entry fee for the SOB's.
There is a chance, they may agree on a flat fee per race. The more SOB's we can get to the race, the cheaper it would be for everyone. That is one option. The other option is pay $500.00 per race with no purse, and let $250 of that go towards the additional insurance and helicopter.

Bottom line, they would like to see the SOB's cover the actual costs that it may take to put on separate race.
If the rough water races only allow one race , then of course the costs are reduced, but you may all be ran in P-5 class but scored separately.
Again, we will wait and see what they come up with.


Schedule:
June 26 & 27th.........Brick, NJ

July 17th & 18th.........Atlantic City, NJ

Aug. 12th & 13th......Pt Plsnt. Bch., NJ

Aug 28th & 29th......Long Island or CT. area

Sept 25th & 26........Cambridge, MD
"Rave reviews on this site!"(Must experience to believe it!)

Oct 9th & 10.........Delaware River Area

Great line up of events!

:cool:

Thanks Marty!

Looks great!

SOB
 

:D :D :D :D :D

There seem to be two new issues:

1. Is the name S.O.B. an issue vs P-OB class for instance?....

2. Will the S.O.B's race with, or include, inboards?

Points to ponder over hot toddy......

Merry Christmas.

T2x

isnt there an already existing set of rules you can use as a guideline,wasnt factory racing originally single outboards!wouldnt that set the standards for SOB!damm,I love the smell of that two stroke at 7500 RPM's,and those boats do fly,which makes it real fun!!!go boys!

#1

S.O.B. is kinda catchy and self explanatory.
Being an issue? I don't think these guys much care what it's called, as long as they can get affordable racing on the circuit for themselves.
I think we also already have enough P in the water...:D

#2

It was voted down on our rules proposal. The outboards only wanted to race against other outboards with 21 to 24 ft boats.

We will see what the final decision is after another meeting with the powers of OPA.

Works for me........

Merry Christmas Sharkey............................ and DPT You guys have done a great job.

T2x

Something else we will need to work on:

Originally posted by Fast Shafts:

APBA to offer SOB Class!

According to another site, APBA will be offering an SOB class! To begin with, the SOB's will run with the P5 boats. Once there are at least 5 boats consistently, they will be offered their own class. Mike A. stated they have followed the SOB threads with alot of interest. This is great news!!!

How can I say this a.......?

Merry Christmas ;)

Dammit!!! I caught myself shopping for a 21 Superboat OUTBOARD!!!

:D :D :D

Kent,

A 21 Superboat Brand New with the new style deck is available.
Very nice styling too! Looks like a scaled down Outerlimits.

One is for sale @ New Jersey Outboards in Bayville, NJ.
It is currently rigged with new 225 HO Evinrude. Has a Hydraulic jack plate and runs around 80mph.

Beautiful boat! All white, ready for your colors.....:cool: