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marine concepts 02-02-2011 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by Catmando (Post 3314349)
I agree I would be very surprised if that boat runs 120 with 700s. It only runs in the 90s with 525s. 850s maybe...

Anyone want to put some money on it? Keep in mind my mti got up to 140 with 525's and no one said I could do that either!

Chuck 02-02-2011 07:02 PM

Very sharp ride. Good luck with it.

noli 02-02-2011 07:11 PM

I like the windshield...awesome clarity!!!

DPT MOTORSPORTS 02-02-2011 07:14 PM

The original person that laid up the Dragon I believe was Doug Wright's shop but I may be wrong with that. Good luck to the new owner.

SS930 02-02-2011 08:25 PM

Sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool:

MegaByte*3 02-02-2011 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by marine concepts (Post 3313893)
This was Craigs personal boat, hull #2, its the one that was used at the shows, all white with the round dragon logo on the side. We had it running in the upper 90's before we took it apart, I 'm looking for 125+

Well, I hope it runs 125 as good as it looks standing still! Please post some pictures as you go through the rigging process. Of course, a pic or two of the maiden voyage and dialing in would be appreciated.

Best of luck with it.

Boatlesss 02-02-2011 10:33 PM


Originally Posted by marine concepts (Post 3314446)
Anyone want to put some money on it? Keep in mind my mti got up to 140 with 525's and no one said I could do that either!

140 mph with stock... S T O C K 525's or a 525 based motor?

Not taking away from this boat, it looks great with the paint scheme but this boat, be it a new Dragon or a old Dragon (unless they really improved the bottom) would be good to reach 108 (with 700 NXT's) as with 525's it was never the fastest boat. The Dragon race boat in the UK with 525's and #6's ran high 80's.

Keep us informed, engine ECU and Whipple mod's and propellers as stock is what the impression is being projected but I don't think it will be so in order to reach your speed goal.

Jesse James 02-02-2011 10:55 PM

it is hard to see in the pics but the red metalflake is outstanding, love the whole boat really l;ike the non skid on the platform and how u dont lose the paint job back there.... the new mold owner definatly has a great heritage, should be a nice boat when they build it

marine concepts 02-03-2011 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by Boatlesss (Post 3314701)
140 mph with stock... S T O C K 525's or a 525 based motor?

Not taking away from this boat, it looks great with the paint scheme but this boat, be it a new Dragon or a old Dragon (unless they really improved the bottom) would be good to reach 108 (with 700 NXT's) as with 525's it was never the fastest boat. The Dragon race boat in the UK with 525's and #6's ran high 80's.

Keep us informed, engine ECU and Whipple mod's and propellers as stock is what the impression is being projected but I don't think it will be so in order to reach your speed goal.

I can assure you the 525's were all stock and factory sealed and inspected by Mercury. The boat oversea's ran 105 with #6 and staggard, I have already personally ran 98 in this boat before I derigged it, lost a drive on last run and still ran 50mph on 1 motor at last years Miami Boat show poker run, plenty of people there can testify to that, so I dont think 125 is out of the question for the right set-up, and thats what I love to do.

customryder 02-03-2011 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by marine concepts (Post 3314934)
I can assure you the 525's were all stock and factory sealed and inspected by Mercury. The boat oversea's ran 105 with #6 and staggard, I have already personally ran 98 in this boat before I derigged it, lost a drive on last run and still ran 50mph on 1 motor at last years Miami Boat show poker run, plenty of people there can testify to that, so I dont think 125 is out of the question for the right set-up, and thats what I love to do.

Very nice ! but NO way will it see 125 with 700s

I think Erics 39 ran 117 with 1100s ??

rudy 02-03-2011 10:17 AM

Now that's a cool looking ride. Nice work to Craig Barrie and crew!!!

twin screws 02-03-2011 10:25 AM

It looks like it will run 125, beautiful boat, best of luck.

Gary864 02-03-2011 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by marine concepts (Post 3314934)
I can assure you the 525's were all stock and factory sealed and inspected by Mercury. The boat oversea's ran 105 with #6 and staggard, I have already personally ran 98 in this boat before I derigged it, lost a drive on last run and still ran 50mph on 1 motor at last years Miami Boat show poker run, plenty of people there can testify to that, so I dont think 125 is out of the question for the right set-up, and thats what I love to do.


Best of luck on getting where you want to be with the boat. I will be watching and I hope to see you achive your goal. Many manufactures will be watching to see if the bar is raised once again i would bet.

DPT MOTORSPORTS 02-03-2011 12:02 PM

If it runs that fast it will not be an everyday Top End. I think it is obtainable on a long straightaway with large wheels on it. I would think that this boat would be in the 110-115mph with 700's. I think the raceboat with staggered 525's ran just over 100mph back in the SV 525 days..

Gary864 02-03-2011 12:25 PM

I can see 115 and that is even a great number. 125 even 120 would be outstanding. I like the looks of the boat and at 100 MPH I would be happy so I am not trying to knock this project by any means.

Catmando 02-03-2011 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by Gary864 (Post 3315075)
I can see 115 and that is even a great number. 125 even 120 would be outstanding. I like the looks of the boat and at 100 MPH I would be happy so I am not trying to knock this project by any means.

The Laveycraft 39, a very similar boat, ran a tick over 110 with 700s and 37" props. For the Dragon to run 120+ on stock 525s would be astounding, almost unbelievable. A cat yes I would believe. Teague has done it. A 10,000lb+ V bottom? I would have to see the video of the boat running and the GPS to believe.

MC I hope you can pull off what would be a miracle...

Tiki Joe 02-03-2011 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by Catmando (Post 3315162)
For the Dragon to run 120+ on stock 525s would be astounding, almost unbelievable.


Re-read...He is going to be running 700's & NXT's...and I don't think he'll get close to 120...

mr buttonhead 02-03-2011 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by Tiki Joe (Post 3315171)
Re-read...He is going to be running 700's & NXT's...and I don't think he'll get close to 120...

I would not sell randy short.if he says he will get it to 125mph I will give him the benefit of a doubt.if it does ill be in line for one and put my 1200s in it. Can you say 160+

cdowns 02-03-2011 04:02 PM

:party-smiley-004:

ElimiNordic 02-03-2011 04:25 PM

Love the glass and the top
 
Nice boat! I love the lines and the way the glass wraps around the sides.

LESSONLEARNED 02-03-2011 04:44 PM

120+...
 
If the OL 40GTX ran 110+ with a full cabin and 650's, I dont see it out of reach for this to run 120+ with 700's and the right setup...

Love the paint by the way...

offshoredrillin 02-03-2011 05:24 PM

wow, lots of haters..Anthony told me what it did on the poker run Randy....have at it!

OL40SVX 02-03-2011 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by LESSONLEARNED (Post 3315298)
If the OL 40GTX ran 110+ with a full cabin and 650's, I dont see it out of reach for this to run 120+ with 700's and the right setup...

Love the paint by the way...

The SV43 does 120 with 700's and a half cabin. The Dragon being smaller but still epoxy but with no stagger will prob do the same and maybe a little more. Has a Dragon ever run that fast though? Limits of the hull??

Coolerman 02-03-2011 05:34 PM

Not Staggered?!?

OL40SVX 02-03-2011 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by Coolerman (Post 3315346)
Not Staggered?!?

Maybe Randy is planning on it. Im not sure. The Dragons were not staggered but the two race boats.

LESSONLEARNED 02-03-2011 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by fountain40icbm (Post 3315340)
The SV43 does 120 with 700's and a half cabin. The Dragon being smaller but still epoxy but with no stagger will prob do the same and maybe a little more. Has a Dragon ever run that fast though? Limits of the hull??

Not sure, good question...

I know there was twin TCM900 #6 Dragon, even side by side that should out run a staggered 700/NXT setup...

pm203 02-03-2011 06:05 PM

I remember the original Dragon being a slug. Reports of the official top speed varied from 78mph(tested) to low 90's as stated by the manufacturer. I am not even sure what the truth is. Can anyone explain what the real #s are? Thanks.

offshoredrillin 02-03-2011 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by pm203 (Post 3315381)
I remember the original Dragon being a slug. Reports of the official top speed varied from 78mph(tested) to low 90's as stated by the manufacturer. I am not even sure what the truth is. Can anyone explain what the real #s are? Thanks.

most of the original ones were fine. from what i remember their were a couple diff company's doing the rigging and the one that one company rigged(erics) wound up being redone with the TCM and 6's.

I guess the closest comparison would be the black 40 ol SV that had JC 1200/900 what was top speed on that?
also Randy was upper 90's with the 525's on the KW poker run, and 50 on one engine. everything is there to have it be 120+. I personally think he will be very close to his number.

OL40SVX 02-03-2011 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by offshoredrillin (Post 3315386)
most of the original ones were fine. from what i remember their were a couple diff company's doing the rigging and the one that one company rigged(erics) wound up being redone with the TCM and 6's.

I guess the closest comparison would be the black 40 ol SV that had JC 1200/900 what was top speed on that?
also Randy was upper 90's with the 525's on the KW poker run, and 50 on one engine. everything is there to have it be 120+. I personally think he will be very close to his number.

The Black SV40 ran right in at 140 with the big whipples on 525's.

Coolerman 02-03-2011 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by fountain40icbm (Post 3315348)
Maybe Randy is planning on it. Im not sure. The Dragons were not staggered but the two race boats.

Randy is a smart guy, I think he knows that he will have to stagger the motors to achieve his goal.

mr buttonhead 02-03-2011 06:38 PM

Im sure randy has some tricks up his sleeve to make the dragon. A bullet.keep an eye out for a cool interior also. 140mph in a 525 mti.makes me a believer. Wonder what that mti would do with merge new 1350s?

thisistank 02-03-2011 07:34 PM

First Dragon with standard 525 set up ran 94. The Apro race boat with staggard 525's & 6's runs 103.

Those at Mercury Lake X said the Dragon was the most efficient Vee hull they'd ever tested.

The Glad with 700's ran near 115. Epoxy boat, light setup up and staggard....125 may be doable. It'll be fun to watch Randy get there though!

WeaponX 02-03-2011 07:43 PM

I'm was waiting for that info to be posted. And we actually ran 54.6 mph on one 525.:angry-smiley-038:

BLee 02-03-2011 07:55 PM

That's a GREAT looking Dragon.

Lauderdaleboats 02-03-2011 08:23 PM

Here's some pics of the blue Dragon being rigged as new. Ran upper 90's. The lifting strakes on the Dragon's were being added after the boat was out of the mold and no two boats had them in the same location. I rigged this one, one other side by side which had a notched transom and Gino's staggered raceboat.

Pics here:

Lauderdaleboats 02-03-2011 08:27 PM

Here's the link to pics.

http://s1139.photobucket.com/albums/...uderdaleboats/

BenPerfected 02-03-2011 08:29 PM

Some quick calculations using the BAM site:

9500 lbs boat w/1100 HP and a 303 hull efficency = 103 MPH

Same calculation except with 1400 HP = 116 MPH

Bullhead 02-03-2011 08:42 PM

I would think the speed may be obtainable......the Global Warmer Fountain ran 123-125 at lotto in the shootout....I am guessing if Dan had it propped for pure top end he would be right at 130

Gary864 02-03-2011 08:58 PM

I am not a hater In fact I hope he makes the speed he is looking for. I do not know Randy but from what I read it seems like he knows WAAAAAAY more than I do. I even said 115 was achievable. The extra 10 I feel will be tough just my opinion an nothing more. Again Great looking boat and best of luck

ILMORdude 02-03-2011 09:26 PM

Good luck with your project. Its a fantastic looking boat. Wish you were going with Ilmors though!!


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