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abuhriii 03-01-2011 11:10 AM

Stacy is pretty much right on with the captive insurers (State Farm, Allstate, Nationwide, etc...) really only playing on the mid level performance boats. The problem you run into is many times when you are dealing with captive agents they are not familiar with the boat they are insuring. In other words are they looking at your vessel as an 80MPH performance boat or are they looking at it as a 30MPH cruiser.

This is the gray area in which you can get wrapped up in should at the time of loss it come up. These carriers have been known to take a hard line on representations and if every t is not crossed and every i dotted you may end up in one litigation with the injured party and one with the insurance company trying to decide coverage issues. It is very important that you make sure the umbrella carrier is aware of the type of vessel and the speeds it is capable of so you can boat without worry. We always recommend to our prospective clients or clients that switch to make sure they get the ever important CYA letter when dealing with a carrier that does not specialize in the performance market.

Should you not have that letter and coverage issues develop which result in a claim declination, it would have potential to be a very expensive mistake.

At Total Dollar we have in house access to place liability limits up to $5 Million on most performance boats with greater limits available upon request. Should you need to explore these options of high liability limits to protect your net worth call us today or submit an online quote at our website below.

Knot 4 Me 03-01-2011 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by WakezoneINS (Post 3338881)
There is one big difference here between what DB HAMMER is wanting to cover and what State Farm covers for the three of you.... DB HAMMER has a 140mph CAT and for you guys... State Farm is covering mid performance boats for you guys under their umbrella policy. That is a really big difference in exposure to an underwriter....

I do see the captive insurers including mid performance (under 100mph) V hull boats under their umbrellas, however, I rarely see a carrier like State Farm extending their umbrella policy form over a 100+mph CAT hull boat. I think it's just out of their "comfort zone".....

Agree.

Randy Nielsen 03-10-2011 11:44 PM

Hi there,I find myself looking for insurance AGAIN!!! It seems the everyday big name insurance companies dont inform their brokers very much info on what a high performance boat is. My broker for State Farm was happy to write a policy for my 34 Kachina with stock twin 496 power, however when I went to get a copy of the binder I find they will not insure a high performance boat. Do the math 750Hp 8000Lb its not that fast when I asked what the problem was the broker pulled out a "confidential" book & told me they dont like the Hp# or the pointy nose because people drink & race with them!!! I said but you dont have a problem covering my Z06 vette or SS camaro they said no its not the same. Can someone help me out. I would like to be able to write 1 check to pay instead of multiple policies with multiple companies.

WakezoneINS 03-11-2011 12:06 AM


Originally Posted by Randy Nielsen (Post 3347752)
Hi there,I find myself looking for insurance AGAIN!!! It seems the everyday big name insurance companies dont inform their brokers very much info on what a high performance boat is. My broker for State Farm was happy to write a policy for my 34 Kachina with stock twin 496 power, however when I went to get a copy of the binder I find they will not insure a high performance boat. Do the math 750Hp 8000Lb its not that fast when I asked what the problem was the broker pulled out a "confidential" book & told me they dont like the Hp# or the pointy nose because people drink & race with them!!! I said but you dont have a problem covering my Z06 vette or SS camaro they said no its not the same. Can someone help me out. I would like to be able to write 1 check to pay instead of multiple policies with multiple companies.

Hey there Randy. I am pretty sure we can get all of your insurance on one bill for you (two if you need to include the eliminator). Feel free to give me a call tomorrow or PM me your number and I will give you a call.

Randy Nielsen 03-11-2011 12:16 AM

Thanks Stacy I'll give you a call tomorrow, dont know how to PM

WakezoneINS 03-11-2011 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by Randy Nielsen (Post 3347752)
when I asked what the problem was the broker pulled out a "confidential" book & told me they dont like the Hp# or the pointy nose because people drink & race with them!!!

This cracks me up every time I hear it!!! I've heard this so often over the years and it was always from people who were getting the "see ya later letter" from State Farm...

"A pointy nose" what a technical and professional reason to decline to write business for someone :) lol

Griff 03-14-2011 01:30 AM


Originally Posted by Randy Nielsen (Post 3347752)
Hi there,I find myself looking for insurance AGAIN!!! It seems the everyday big name insurance companies dont inform their brokers very much info on what a high performance boat is. My broker for State Farm was happy to write a policy for my 34 Kachina with stock twin 496 power, however when I went to get a copy of the binder I find they will not insure a high performance boat. Do the math 750Hp 8000Lb its not that fast when I asked what the problem was the broker pulled out a "confidential" book & told me they dont like the Hp# or the pointy nose because people drink & race with them!!! I said but you dont have a problem covering my Z06 vette or SS camaro they said no its not the same. Can someone help me out. I would like to be able to write 1 check to pay instead of multiple policies with multiple companies.

Any SF agent with a little bit of pull can get it insured. It just depends on how bad they want your business and how much other business they have of yours. SF insures my 32 AT with 830hp. Underwriting tried to cancel it initially, but my agent got it done with no problems.

baywatch 03-14-2011 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by Griff (Post 3349658)
Any SF agent with a little bit of pull can get it insured. It just depends on how bad they want your business and how much other business they have of yours. SF insures my 32 AT with 830hp. Underwriting tried to cancel it initially, but my agent got it done with no problems.

+1. The agents cherry pick what they will and won't write. My agent took 20 pics of my boat and they are all on file so there are no issues down the road. Tommy had his old TS 39' with 700s with SF as well.

Randy Nielsen 05-03-2011 03:01 AM

Next time anyone is shopping for insurance with the big names(progressive,state farm,etc) ask the agent what the difference is between a high performance powerboat & a 300hp 18' bass boat.Im just curious if they have a different pointy nose or the ins co has a different scale to rate the power to weight ratio. Anyway I think I got things covered finally. Thanks Stacy it was nice to meet you at DS hope to see you again some time

WakezoneINS 05-03-2011 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by Randy Nielsen (Post 3392943)
Next time anyone is shopping for insurance with the big names(progressive,state farm,etc) ask the agent what the difference is between a high performance powerboat & a 300hp 18' bass boat.Im just curious if they have a different pointy nose or the ins co has a different scale to rate the power to weight ratio. Anyway I think I got things covered finally. Thanks Stacy it was nice to meet you at DS hope to see you again some time

It was great to meet you and Kathy as well! I'm glad we were able to package everything together for you and get you additional coverage and hopefully simplify the insurance side of things for you.

Thank you and hope to see you both again next year!


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