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fastboatfella 01-22-2014 05:15 PM

Prop selection on 29 single?
 
Fella's I finally got the 29 Lavey I have been looking for! Was curious to what others have had success in props for the 29 with single power. Anyone tried 5 blade props?
Thank you in advance!

Shannon

ToMorrow44 01-22-2014 09:51 PM

I know several have had lots of success with Hydromotive P-5Xs. What power are you running?

fastboatfella 01-23-2014 01:03 PM

Thank you for your response.

Power still needs to go on the dyno but is projected to be 735-750 HP (corrected). The power projected at 6100 ft elevation were we primarily boat is 570-588 HP. I bought this boat sight unseen through a bank deal, the boat is perfect but was shocked at the size of the 29. This was concerning because I started to worry if we built enough power to push this boat 70 mph at 6100 ft (projected goal). I can say this, I pulled it back from Havasu last weekend and was amazed at how light the boat is. My engine builder is now concerned and wants to supercharge the engine.

Schweeng 01-23-2014 01:08 PM

Based on your info with Hp and elevation...I'll bet you're between a 26 and 28 four blade..probably closer to a 28. No idea what a 5 blade would get you or what size....
Post a picture of the 29 - love to see it.

fastboatfella 01-23-2014 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by Schweeng (Post 4062005)
Based on your info with Hp and elevation...I'll bet you're between a 26 and 28 four blade..probably closer to a 28. No idea what a 5 blade would get you or what size....
Post a picture of the 29 - love to see it.

Schweeng! You know this boat well! This is the Teague 1000 boat. Fella pulled the motor and the bank contacted me and asked me to make a offer. So I did...hit them low and they accepted. I had Ron's in Havasu detail the boat and I could not be happier. Gel coat is immaculate interior is awesome. Probably paint the trailer next winter but feel like I hit the lotto! It has the XR drive that Barrett Custom Marine put on it with a lot of imco internals and max machine works tower. Probably will run this drive till it blows up. Planning on a SCX in the future. Boat has 330 hours on it.

Schweeng 01-23-2014 04:26 PM

SCORE!!!!!! Happy for you!!!!!!

GAZ 01-23-2014 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by fastboatfella (Post 4062074)
Schweeng! You know this boat well! This is the Teague 1000 boat. Fella pulled the motor and the bank contacted me and asked me to make a offer. So I did...hit them low and they accepted. I had Ron's in Havasu detail the boat and I could not be happier. Gel coat is immaculate interior is awesome. Probably paint the trailer next winter but feel like I hit the lotto! It has the XR drive that Barrett Custom Marine put on it with a lot of imco internals and max machine works tower. Probably will run this drive till it blows up. Planning on a SCX in the future. Boat has 330 hours on it.

Is this the orange colored MCOB. 29... had a Teague 1000 ?

fastboatfella 01-24-2014 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by Schweeng (Post 4062119)
SCORE!!!!!! Happy for you!!!!!!

Thanks Pal!!!

fastboatfella 01-24-2014 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by GAZ (Post 4062238)
Is this the orange colored MCOB. 29... had a Teague 1000 ?

Gaz this is not a orange boat. Red, blue, and yellow on white. Where are you boating at being from Gunnison and what elevation? Fill me in with the stats! I will try to post some pics for you.

Thanks

GAZ 01-24-2014 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by fastboatfella (Post 4062728)
Gaz this is not a orange boat. Red, blue, and yellow on white. Where are you boating at being from Gunnison and what elevation? Fill me in with the stats! I will try to post some pics for you.

Thanks

I'm running mostly on my home Reservoir (Blue Mesa) 7700 msl with a stock 500 efi I run a 19p Rev 4 and get 53mph at 5200 rpm. I'm guessing maybe you are running on Navajo?

bert4332 01-25-2014 10:13 AM

I would call both BBlades and Hydromotive, in my 29' I ran a 4 blade 26p RH labbed and it was dialed in perfectly. I have no clue how elevation changes the formulas, the good thing with both is they will ship multiple props to test. So unless you have someone with the same boat, same setup in the same elevation I would go that route. BTW, next time the bank calls with another 29, send them our way!

GAZ 01-25-2014 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by bert4332 (Post 4063092)
I would call both BBlades and Hydromotive, in my 29' I ran a 4 blade 26p RH labbed and it was dialed in perfectly. I have no clue how elevation changes the formulas, the good thing with both is they will ship multiple props to test. So unless you have someone with the same boat, same setup in the same elevation I would go that route. BTW, next time the bank calls with another 29, send them our way!

I worked with Brett at Bblades to find the best prop for my elevation. I also have a 26p that I run down at sealevel. Then I have a 24p and a 22p for other elevations in between. Elevation effects your performance immensely with a naturally aspirated engine. Now if you go super or turbo charged its effects are WAY less.

BUP 01-25-2014 01:58 PM

This 29 was that Lucas's boat from Vegas. If so you had to steal it because he told me there was no motor, no drive, no transom assembly left and the bank at that time wanted 35K. Also it was cabin boat not a mid cabin. Just asking as I thought about it but really wanted to steal it for a price. Good luck with your new ride. Heck we don't have any water to go boating anyways. Getting really old in my neck woods.

fastboatfella 01-26-2014 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by BUP (Post 4063194)
This 29 was that Lucas's boat from Vegas. If so you had to steal it because he told me there was no motor, no drive, no transom assembly left and the bank at that time wanted 35K. Also it was cabin boat not a mid cabin. Just asking as I thought about it but really wanted to steal it for a price. Good luck with your new ride. Heck we don't have any water to go boating anyways. Getting really old in my neck woods.

Your right sir it was a awesome deal. I paid $20,000 with the drive and transom assembly. I had Barrett Custom Marine change the 1.36 gears to 1.50 gears. Spent all day in the boat Saturday and looks to be a easy install. We do are own rigging and installs. My engine builder's son works for me and is very talented and we have a boom for the forklift for the install. All the gauges are mechanical which I thought was a bonus! Sorry to hear of the Texas water shortage, one of my best friends moved his boat business to Austin and is singing the blues also. I do have access to a 26 four blade to start with and go from there.
Thanks for the input!

fastboatfella 01-26-2014 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by GAZ (Post 4063101)
I worked with Brett at Bblades to find the best prop for my elevation. I also have a 26p that I run down at sealevel. Then I have a 24p and a 22p for other elevations in between. Elevation effects your performance immensely with a naturally aspirated engine. Now if you go super or turbo charged its effects are WAY less.

Yes sir we spend a lot of time at Navajo! Love the lake and the people! You have 575 sci power? What cubic inch are those? Bring that boat down the hill this year to Navajo and have a beer!

ToMorrow44 01-26-2014 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by fastboatfella (Post 4062004)
Thank you for your response.

Power still needs to go on the dyno but is projected to be 735-750 HP (corrected). The power projected at 6100 ft elevation were we primarily boat is 570-588 HP. I bought this boat sight unseen through a bank deal, the boat is perfect but was shocked at the size of the 29. This was concerning because I started to worry if we built enough power to push this boat 70 mph at 6100 ft (projected goal). I can say this, I pulled it back from Havasu last weekend and was amazed at how light the boat is. My engine builder is now concerned and wants to supercharge the engine.

Yeah probably a 25 or 26P P-5X should do. But start with the 26P 4 blade you have and go from there. With that elevation I would supercharge it, the effects of the altitude will be far less. Go big now so you don't regret it later haha. That hull can definitely handle some power. But even at 570hp at elevation, it will still hit 70mph no problem if that is your goal.

fastboatfella 01-26-2014 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by ToMorrow44 (Post 4063601)
Yeah probably a 25 or 26P P-5X should do. But start with the 26P 4 blade you have and go from there. With that elevation I would supercharge it, the effects of the altitude will be far less. Go big now so you don't regret it later haha. That hull can definitely handle some power. But even at 570hp at elevation, it will still hit 70mph no problem if that is your goal.

Yes sir I hope you are right. We have decided to get the boat ready for Desert Storm in April so I have decided to move forward with out a supercharger. Really curios to see how this combo works. Supercharging could always be a winter project. I have like $30,000 in this motor already! It has jessel valvtrain and timing belt, piston oilers, CNC AFR heads on and on. I have always got a kick out of well built natural aspirated motors but this is one big boat!
You might get a kick out of this....there is a 27 Advantage like yours at boat brokers in Havasu that has a engine that my guy built. 1200 HP with a B-max. That boat will do a 100 up here! Very Scary ride! Flat dangerous!

ToMorrow44 01-26-2014 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by fastboatfella (Post 4063670)
Yes sir I hope you are right. We have decided to get the boat ready for Desert Storm in April so I have decided to move forward with out a supercharger. Really curios to see how this combo works. Supercharging could always be a winter project. I have like $30,000 in this motor already! It has jessel valvtrain and timing belt, piston oilers, CNC AFR heads on and on. I have always got a kick out of well built natural aspirated motors but this is one big boat!
You might get a kick out of this....there is a 27 Advantage like yours at boat brokers in Havasu that has a engine that my guy built. 1200 HP with a B-max. That boat will do a 100 up here! Very Scary ride! Flat dangerous!

Oh I didn't realize you already had the motor built haha. Yeah you should still have no problem getting to your 70mph goal. I'd say 75 is attainable with the power at altitude.

I've seen that 27 Victory online, I'm not sure how it makes 1200hp with that combo, most motors need a lot more blower than a procharger to get 1200hp (14-71 or Whipple 8.3L). In any event, I bet it is a scary ride. Knowing all the dialing in I've done with my boat, and what more it still needs, I can tell that boat is not set up to run 100.

fastboatfella 01-28-2014 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by ToMorrow44 (Post 4063743)
Oh I didn't realize you already had the motor built haha. Yeah you should still have no problem getting to your 70mph goal. I'd say 75 is attainable with the power at altitude.

I've seen that 27 Victory online, I'm not sure how it makes 1200hp with that combo, most motors need a lot more blower than a procharger to get 1200hp (14-71 or Whipple 8.3L). In any event, I bet it is a scary ride. Knowing all the dialing in I've done with my boat, and what more it still needs, I can tell that boat is not set up to run 100.


Motor is 598 cubic inch with M-1 procharger and fuel injection and made over 1200 HP corrected. I have a call in to get the actual numbers for you. The guy that owned the boat would not listen very well. The boat would try to push the stern around and accelerated like a serious drag car. Extremely loud and way to much motor for that type of boat for sure! Pro Chargers will not stop making boost. I think there ugly but my guy sure believes in them. His last 14:71 motor made 1347 hp corrected on pump gas. Talked with his son who works for me and was told this one actually made more power, but I will get the number from the man himself. Not only does he make power....but they live a long life! Very critical to me!

Thanks for the reply.

ToMorrow44 01-28-2014 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by fastboatfella (Post 4064847)
Motor is 598 cubic inch with M-1 procharger and fuel injection and made over 1200 HP corrected. I have a call in to get the actual numbers for you. The guy that owned the boat would not listen very well. The boat would try to push the stern around and accelerated like a serious drag car. Extremely loud and way to much motor for that type of boat for sure! Pro Chargers will not stop making boost. I think there ugly but my guy sure believes in them. His last 14:71 motor made 1347 hp corrected on pump gas. Talked with his son who works for me and was told this one actually made more power, but I will get the number from the man himself. Not only does he make power....but they live a long life! Very critical to me!

Thanks for the reply.

Cool that will be interesting. Yeah Advantage designed the 27 in 1991 when about the most power you could put in it was 500, not made for 1200hp. With some tweaking of the hull and setup of the drive and prop it would be ok. I would actually have no problem putting 1200hp in a 29 Lavey though. They've built several over 100mph and its a big enough boat to handle it. Think 1200hp and single #6.

fastboatfella 01-28-2014 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by ToMorrow44 (Post 4064903)
Cool that will be interesting. Yeah Advantage designed the 27 in 1991 when about the most power you could put in it was 500, not made for 1200hp. With some tweaking of the hull and setup of the drive and prop it would be ok. I would actually have no problem putting 1200hp in a 29 Lavey though. They've built several over 100mph and its a big enough boat to handle it. Think 1200hp and single #6.

So here is the scoop! 602 cubic inches and 1187 HP at 5500 ft of elevation. They ran out of injector or it would have made more. I have personally drove quite a few 27 Victory's (buddy in Austin was a Advantage dealer here in New Mexico before moving his Business to Austin) Absolutely love them! I would imagine yours runs extremely good in Havasu!
The Motor for the Lavey has not been assembled yet....just had to decide to supercharge or not before assembly. Motor starts to go together next week and would imagine that I will have dyno results in two or three weeks.

Stay tuned!

GAZ 01-29-2014 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by fastboatfella (Post 4063500)
Yes sir we spend a lot of time at Navajo! Love the lake and the people! You have 575 sci power? What cubic inch are those? Bring that boat down the hill this year to Navajo and have a beer!

Mine is a stock 500efi (502 cu), I for sure want to come down to Navajo and have that beer with you. My uncle lives down in Aztec.

fastboatfella 01-29-2014 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by GAZ (Post 4065286)
Mine is a stock 500efi (502 cu), I for sure want to come down to Navajo and have that beer with you. My uncle lives down in Aztec.

Right on GAZ! We have a awesome crew of friends and boats plus two house boats that get a little nutty after the sun goes down. Damn good times.....I will keep you posted and let me know a weekend or holiday that works for you.

Have to warn you though the girls tops tend to come off.

Uncle Dave 02-15-2014 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by fastboatfella (Post 4064943)
So here is the scoop! 602 cubic inches and 1187 HP at 5500 ft of elevation. They ran out of injector or it would have made more. I have personally drove quite a few 27 Victory's (buddy in Austin was a Advantage dealer here in New Mexico before moving his Business to Austin) Absolutely love them! I would imagine yours runs extremely good in Havasu!
The Motor for the Lavey has not been assembled yet....just had to decide to supercharge or not before assembly. Motor starts to go together next week and would imagine that I will have dyno results in two or three weeks.

Stay tuned!

Cant wait to see it.

UD


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