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Which Italian designer was the father? Theodoli, Martin or Amati?


Which Italian designer was the father? Theodoli, Martin or Amati?

Old 09-07-2020, 02:14 PM
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You've already got your dedicated thread about your (interesting) re-build but IMHO this isn't the place to insert yet more of the same pictures.
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1Design your refit work is amazing. Goes a bit a way from the original Magnum style, but it is still something to get inspired.

Sometimes I have thought see the success of the CC that Magnum might have missed an opportunity in presenting the old 38/40 with same/similar interior layout but a wider cockpit and outboard set-up.
Considering the success some builders are having they might have been up to something there.
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Fulvio De Simoni, nothing screams Italian like a big Pershing with a rooster tail
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Originally Posted by larslindroth
In 1966 Walt Walters and Jim Wynne was helping Aronow design the Donzi-Magnum 35 race boat, 'Maltese Magnum'. The wide beam 24-degree deadrise was a more nimble wave-crusher and kind of a late answer to say the 1963 Bertram 38 design. The Donzi-Magnum 35 was raced successfully by Mr. Jake Trotter and also helped Don Aronow win the 1967 World Championship. The late Mario Amati's 1977 designed Itama 38 was his own take on the Magnum Marine 38. The difference was that it had 22-degrees deadrise at the transom and therefore sacrificed some rough sea capability, but gained a little in top speed and fuel consumption. The 1998 Otam 45 was their first 'Magnum' yacht and was simply a Magnum Marine 44 built under license from Magnum thanks to Filippo Theodoli's widow Katrin's grace. Paolo Martin was responsible for exterior and interior design, but the Otam 45 and 55 were Magnum hulls. Cigarette Racing even got the right to sell Otam yachts' in 1998 as the Cigarette 45 Heritage and the 50 Aventura. What would have happened if Walters and Wynne had got into the aviation industry in the late 1950s and never looked back at boating?
Most of what you say is correct with the exception that the Otam 45 and 55 where build under licence from Magnum. Also the Itama 38 hull one was presented in Genoa 1979 in wood, and later the year after came the fiberglass version which also had the first underwater exhaust system. The Otam 45 and 55 came from Umberto Tagliavini, with a strong influence to the Magnum designs.

Prior to that 1998/97, and beside building custom or semi-custom to order wooden boats, Otam was also a boat fitter, fitting out most new Magnum's which sold in Europe (Italy and France where the bigger markets), and also the custom made to order Riva.
Also back in the sixties one of Otam's first duty was as a Riva boat service centre in Santa Margarita Ligure.

Many who tried both the Magnum 38 and 40 and Itama 38 will tell you the Itama is a bit of a better sea boat and more balanced but at 30 knots plus the Magnum (the 40) gets better.
Rumour has it the deadrise cut came after Amati consulted a famous at the time Deep-Vee specialist, as he was not happy with the wooden mock up he copied from the Magnum 38.
Some say this was Sonny Levi, others say it was Franco Harrauer, those who know the story better say it was the first.
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