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Which Italian designer was the father? Theodoli, Martin or Amati?

Old 06-18-2019, 04:18 PM
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Default Which Italian designer was the father? Theodoli, Martin or Amati?

Otam- 1954, designer Paolo Martin




Itama- 1969, designer Mario Amati (spelled backwards is Itama)




Magnum - From Wikipedia: “Naval architect, Jim Wynne, was impressed with the characteristics and performance of Hunt’s boat [Ray Hunt’s 1958 design of the 24 dev deadrise and longitudinal strakes] and designed a similar deep-vee hull, which was equally successful. In 1962, Don Aronow, a retired real estate developer, asked Jim Wynne and Walt Walters to design a high performance Deep-Vee hull for him to race. This was the first of the famed, Aronow hulls, which he promoted first under the name Formula, then Donzi, then Magnum (1966 — 1968), then Cigarette boats.”




Magnum Marine’s site says “In 1976 Magnum Marine was sold to Marchese Filippo Theodoli, an Italian boat builder, and his wife Katrin. This brought a major change in the product line. Filippo Theodoli had the innovative idea of applying high-performance technology to larger, luxury yachts. And thus, the first high-performance yachts were born. These craft would reach the speeds of the race boats, but would have the comforts of the traditional yacht.”




So, clearly, the current day beautiful design of all 3 were based on one of the three Italian designers.... but which one is the father of this design??




Was it Theodoli in 1976: “...the first high-performance yachts were born.”? Or did Martin or Amati create it before 1976?



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The history of Aronow built boats has been written and re-written (inaccurately) so many times that it's nearly impossible for newcomers to sort out fact from fiction . I've never heard before that 'Ted' Theodoli was a boat builder before he purchased Magnum .
While it is true that Don utilized the skills of Walt Walters and Jim Wynne in his early boats I believe that when he was doing the crossover from Donzi to Magnum there were different influences in play but ultimately it was Harry Shoell who did the Mag 27 hull for him and the rest is history .
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Originally Posted by madbouyz View Post
The history of Aronow built boats has been written and re-written (inaccurately) so many times that it's nearly impossible for newcomers to sort out fact from fiction . I've never heard before that 'Ted' Theodoli was a boat builder before he purchased Magnum .
While it is true that Don utilized the skills of Walt Walters and Jim Wynne in his early boats I believe that when he was doing the crossover from Donzi to Magnum there were different influences in play but ultimately it was Harry Shoell who did the Mag 27 hull for him and the rest is history .
thanks, but I’m not asking about the Magnum 27. I’m asking about the origins of the large, wide beam performance yachts 1980s+ Magnums, Otams and Itamas. They’re all very similar.
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Originally Posted by 242LS View Post
So, clearly, the current day beautiful design of all 3 were based on one of the three Italian designers.... but which one is the father of this design??

Was it Theodoli in 1976: “...the first high-performance yachts were born.”? Or did Martin or Amati create it before 1976?





OK , I admit I don't understand what it is that you're asking . What is it you're referring to when you say 'the current day beautiful design of all 3' ? Is that a reference to maybe the 3 newest and largest boats they build ?
After the 63 which had its deck done by Pininfarina but was an original Mag design I believe that they did utilize a designer from the other side of the pond but that was way after the 63 which was available in the 1980s . I don't think the 70+ footers came around until the later 90's .
Admittedly , there are a few Italian builders that do produce boats that have a resemblance though .

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You might also want to include Tornado yachts in the mix. They started in late 60's offshore racing. Can't categorically answer your question but there's quite a few boats with very similar lines to the ones mentioned, floating around Italy.


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Default It's all about Jim Wynne, Walt Walters and Aronow.

In 1966 Walt Walters and Jim Wynne was helping Aronow design the Donzi-Magnum 35 race boat, 'Maltese Magnum'. The wide beam 24-degree deadrise was a more nimble wave-crusher and kind of a late answer to say the 1963 Bertram 38 design. The Donzi-Magnum 35 was raced successfully by Mr. Jake Trotter and also helped Don Aronow win the 1967 World Championship. The late Mario Amati's 1977 designed Itama 38 was his own take on the Magnum Marine 38. The difference was that it had 22-degrees deadrise at the transom and therefore sacrificed some rough sea capability, but gained a little in top speed and fuel consumption. The 1998 Otam 45 was their first 'Magnum' yacht and was simply a Magnum Marine 44 built under license from Magnum thanks to Filippo Theodoli's widow Katrin's grace. Paolo Martin was responsible for exterior and interior design, but the Otam 45 and 55 were Magnum hulls. Cigarette Racing even got the right to sell Otam yachts' in 1998 as the Cigarette 45 Heritage and the 50 Aventura. What would have happened if Walters and Wynne had got into the aviation industry in the late 1950s and never looked back at boating?






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Don did the 35 and 38.
Ted stretched the 38 to make the 40. Also redesigned the deck w/ a bit of a pop.
Ted designed the 53, then also cut it to make the 45.
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