Re: Svl Oss
 

Why does your opinion matter Pete?

The same reason as yours, it is freedom of chioce and freedom of speech, i dont personally care if youve owed 50 race boats, your negative reply to my post shows your real agenda, well let me say this i will continue to ask questions and write posts reguarding offshore racing and the direction it is going in, and if you dont like it dont read it, dont come to the racers forum, its that simple. if you havent figured it out yet maybe one day you will. If you think i will just give up, because of you, think again.
you are either passionate about the sport or you are not , i happen to be.
by the way enjoy your freedoms for one day you may not have them.

Re: Svl Oss
 

Whats your point????? It wouldn't matter if 30 Factory boats were racing, they still wouldn't be invited. I know when we are ready to move up in class, it won't mean moving out of SBI/APBA an organization who supports all levels of racers. :)

In the end I am as much a fan as racer and would love to see all the teams racing together.

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Hell this past weekend almost all the winners gave their prize money to the Lions club. If prize money is a big issue for some then racing in the black market should suit you best.

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How is sbi supporting all classes, is opa going to pay the uim fees so they aren't suspended if they want to race both?. If we all agree there should be different levels of racing then, what is wrong with what OSS is doing, if sbi eventually has alot of canopy boats do you really think they will still race them all together, wasn't it apba's agenda to eventually have the classes split? ie: all canopy circuit and open circuit, 80 boats/15 classes at a site is a organized cluster ****, let alone anyone able to know who is racing who.......I am glad it only happened once a year, furthermore there are few sites that can handle that kind of chaos. If the sport is to grow don' you think 40 to 50 boats in five classes would be a great show, not saying you don't have non canopied races, just not all on the same day or weekend.
It seems that it is now difficult for local clubs to maintain any boat count, the expanded national/divisional schedule has hurt the local groups, not supported them. Time will tell how many racers have the time to run at 12 races, how many teams will leave florida if they aren't in the pionts hunt?How many teams still support the local organizations if they are busy running back and forth to florida? I recognize there are a few die hards in jersey, but even they are going to take a hiatus. For now I guess we will see what next year brings, have fun racing wherever you go, just get out there and race.

Re: Svl Oss
 

OPA is grandfathered in, so it will be OK to race with them next year

I disagree, When we get those #'s P classes on Sat and pro series Sunday that will be the ticket to success and growth

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I've read several expert opinions on OSS and what it costs to put on a race I thought I might share a few facts with you guys.August 21 will be our fifth race in two years in Orange Beach and we are very involved with Lake Pickwick and the Pensacola race.We had two races with SBI,one world championship with APBA,one SBI/APBA race and will have OSS in August.The average sanctioning body charge is close to 100,000 dollars including television,plus up to 15 rooms,plus helicoptors,trophies,rental cars and etc.bringing the cost to put on a first class event to well over 150000 dollars plus hundreds of hours of donated labor.Raising that kind of money is not easy especially for your first race and we have never received a discount from anyone and the APBA actually did a $30,000 last minute hijacking to us[not the present administration]SBI actually paid the prize money at our first race at the trophy presentation as a promoter we had heard so many racers complain about not getting paid from both organizations we wanted to make sure all bills were paid.Their advertized purse is $75,000 but the way it is structured by the amount of boats in each class our average payout was well under $30,000.OSS is a flat $50,000.Both organizations require a large non-refundable deposit at the signing of the contract. So now we have begged and borrowed the $150,000 and promised charities a nice donation guess what?You have to put on the show.You pray for good weather,you pray that at least 25 boats show up and you pray that the fans and your community enjoyed the show so you don't have to move.Is it worth all that? For me it is.I have developed some tremendous friendships with the volunteers who help put the race on and our community loves it.I value the friendships I've made with racers and fans in all three organizations and hate the bitterness that some people publicly share.I joined OSS because I wanted to race supercat and it was where to go race with the best competition not because I didn't like SBI or APBA .I miss you guys and wish you all well and I am very proud to be part of OSS.They are very professional and dedicated and contrary to some peoples beliefs we are financially stable, we,the racers own OSS and are dedicated to the sport.Fans from Orange Beach who went to the Biloxi race have come to me raving about the boats and for the first time knowing who is racing who.They love the excitement of the pace lap and having the course set up the day before.At the Orange Beach race we will qualify on Saturday for starting positions.After all is said and done there is a place for OSS just ask our fans. Be Safe, Gary

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Vinny, OPA is a club circut and doesn't interfear with SBI/APBA/U.I.M. I'm really finding it hard to get it into my head what all the problems are. Race where ever you want! Isn't that kinda simple. Don't knock someone for not racing where you choose to run. Me as "The Godfather" of The Jersey Boyz I choose to be loyal to my friends and families at SBI/APBA and you all know I'll never knock OSS, but that's MY CHOICE. I could've went in with Smitty on the new boat or bought myself a super v but I'm happy where I am, I'm having a ball, not too much stress and it's not a job to me. Guy's, I'm having FUN, you want to come an join us...fine, if not we'll see you at another time and I'll cook you a steak. Any Questions???

Re: Svl Oss
 

We need more people like Gary Nichols in this sport.

See ya in Orange Beach, can't wait to return to your gorgous beach front community.

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Hey Augie if you guys go to the SBI race in August in Fort Walton Beach its only a little over an hour away to Orange Beach, come on over and I'll cook you a steak.Plus I'm getting married on the race boat Saturday night, we could have a Jersey Boyz reception.I could even get you a police escort as they still have your picture posted at the jail. Gary

Re: Svl Oss
 

Gary, our only dissapointment this year is we wont get to race for the fans of Orange Beach. They are great! Best of luck this season, say Hi to all from the Boyz. Smitty

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Gary, I agree with Smitty. We had a ball in Orange Beach and we'll miss that. CONGRATS on your future with your Bride. You know if at all possible The Jersey Boyz will be there to raise a little HELL with ya. Oh, an your getting married, I'll cook you a steak! Best of luck Gary and Congrats again from All The Boyz. Augie

Re: Svl Oss
 

Sorry MM ,
First race for the class, it will grow watch and see, as will the other classes. I could continue and counter with another boat count.

Re: Svl Oss
 

Very nice post, glad to see it is for the fans.

Re: Svl Oss
 

Then what really is your point, you continuely slam OSS, yet thier numbers are consistant, and they have a great product, is it that you really dont enjoy offshore racing?? We can all agree it is very politcal, it always will be, all forms of motorsports are we just arent as privy to the info.
OSS was created for the racers by the racers, and they have shown they can put on a race, and while they dont cater to all classes, its not like those racers dont have a place to race. If they were being locked out all together it would be a different story. So once again you are either for offshore racing or against it, You voice your opinion in support of SBI/APBA/UIM/WPR, thats great. but dont put down OSS they have a good program and thier fans enjoy thier brand of offshore racing.

Re: Svl Oss
 

I give OSS 3 yrs and its OVER.........

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why would you ask, just post your opinion, or how you see things.

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and then history will repeat itself, then what everyone will run to SBI/APBA/UIM/WPR only to find out rule 104 will not allow them to race for another year.

lets reverse that what happens after the big blow out in KW, JC decides he's had enough and retires ??? not only does he have the racer's 2006 dues, they will have no where to race .
It could happen. anything is possible. :evilb:

Re: Svl Oss
 

Listen up. We have had some talks with the guys up here. The slaming OSS and SBI has to stop. I have spoken personally with some of top ranking Slammers and they have agreed to stop. As for the rest, We are asking you nicely to back off. You are causing damage in ways you could not even imagine. Right down to myself loosing a very good potential sponsor. Many of us enjoy OSO. Many of us abuse OSO. So I am asking Nicely. If you wish to continue we have made a list of the slammers and we will petition OSO to have you removed from the forum. We have asked over and over. This is it. No I dont think who I am or that I am better than anyone else. But I seem to have more common sense than most. I love this sport and have invested a lot of time in trying to help it grow, So be part of the solution not the problem Thankyou Smitty Any Questions 732 920 3945

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Your're right on Smitty----Hauling Trash I know you hate OSS but you do have a couple Sterling supercat motors for sale-are the engines rebuilt by Sterling or Joey Griffith? If they are Sterlings please call my throttleman Billy Moore at 252-229-9151 and I'll wager on the three years. Gary

Re: Svl Oss
 

Mark, you just dont get it do you?

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[QUOTE=Wazzup Racing]Listen up. We have had some talks with the guys up here. The slaming OSS and SBI has to stop. I have spoken personally with some of top ranking Slammers and they have agreed to stop. As for the rest, We are asking you nicely to back off. You are causing damage in ways you could not even imagine. Right down to myself loosing a very good potential sponsor. Many of us enjoy OSO. Many of us abuse OSO. So I am asking Nicely. If you wish to continue we have made a list of the slammers and we will petition OSO to have you removed from the forum. We have asked over and over. This is it. No I dont think who I am or that I am better than anyone else. But I seem to have more common sense than most. I love this sport and have invested a lot of time in trying to help it grow, So be part of the solution not the problem Thankyou Smitty Any Questions 732 920 3945[/QUOTE


I couldn't agree more.

Re: Svl Oss
 

Thanks Smitty, that was well said and I hope people take it in the way it was intended. (Behave or Augie will send the boyz in the Caddy for a visit.)

I've never understood why one side must be evil for the other side to be good. It is what it is, and time is the only thing that will make adjustments.

The season is young and there's an abundance of races across the country this year. I hope you all find a way to enjoy this sport as a participant or spectator. I know I enjoy every event I attend, SBI/OSS/OPA, it's always a good time to me.

So, to quote a famous OSO author, "Shut up and race". :evilb:

Good luck and safe racing in Marathon and Pickwick.

Re: Svl Oss
 

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Gary

I do not hate OSS , I just don`t like the fact they have no beginner class and they are not trying hard enough to fix the problems with the sport that we all love and care for.
Trust me i loved watching the Key West race with all those Super cats and love to see it again.

Mike

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Mike -I agree there is alot of room for improvement and at OSS we have owners meetings on a regular basis and have lots of imput from some very dedicated guys.I've always been for unification,two years ago I even arranged a meeting with Reggie,John,and MA and they didn't kill each other but,they didn't shake hands either.I don't know the answer but, if we treat each other with deserved respect eventually something good will happen.Lets hope so! Gary

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Gary

Thank you for letting us know that you are trying to fix things.

Mike

Re: Svl Oss
 

Mike,

As much as I tried to get the "Affordable True Entry Level Class" (Single Outboard Boats) on the ticket for "ALL Venues",
I kind of like the current situation.

The SBI organization can be a great place to start. After all, they offer the P-Classes. OSS can be that ultimate goal one can reach for as their racing career progresses.

Picture it as one that races circle tracks such as "Wall Stadium" to get their experience and then eventually move up to the Busch Series and Nascar. Truex would be the perfect example..... ;)

Sure one can argue that there are not enough race boats to go around to support two organizations, but I feel Offshore along with most of the other race classes in APBA,(OPC in particular) the boat counts are down. It simply has been a trend for a while. Could it be that our country is at WAR? Could it be that people have left because of the politics seen in racing? The economy was in a lull? How about little or no Boat Manufacturing Sponsorships? Only those that have left the racing community can actually explain why they left.

OSS is on the right track with only having 5 classes for their organization.

SBI needs more classes because of how they try to accommodate so many different boats. It's understandable.

If as much effort went into seeing how both organizations can co-exist as the effort put into fighting one another, it could probably work.

Could you imagine every race having both organizations in the same place on the same weekend?

SBI race on Saturday and OSS race on Sunday? Nice concept huh? Hopefully one day we will see it. All that, and both organizations can keep their own identities and rules.... ;)

Re: Svl Oss
 

Gary hit it on the head. RESPECT! The Jersey Boyz have ALWAYS been about RESPECT to others...and having FUN but without giving RESPECT you ain't gonna get any! OSS has their thing(and it's good for them) and SBI/APBA/UIM has their own(and that's good for them)...RESPECT what your fellow racer choses to do and each other.