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What would work is if both body's took the title of WORLD CHAMPION off the last race. ONLY if both can come to an agreement to race at a site together will it be called a World Championship Race.
MD

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What if you guys just come on over to Sbi/APBA, let OSS die a respectable death, join in the democratic process that is used in the new organization (similar to OSS), and use your voting power to mold the organization into something that you guys can live and race with. Not only do you get what you want but the whole sport benefits from unity.

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At this point it may impossible; but unification is a must for the sport to reach its true potential.After a great event like Key West, why would anyone want to settle for anything less?
Large fleets of boats,competitive racing,enthusiastic race teams,and excited spectators makes for a more marketable sport for everyone involved.A significant legitimate series sponsor would take the sport to the next level.The first step in making that happen is ONE professional national sanctioning body.Someone,somehow,someway make it happen!

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can i get an AMEN !!

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Amen Brother!!!!!!!!!!!

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Can anyone tell me what the substantive issues are that prevent OSS and Sbi from joining? Or is it just egos? Give me a few reasons why they cant function under one banner???

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SBI is a LLC with one man that has total control
and OSS has voting on all rules and business aspects.

Neither group needs the other.

OSS is about quality not quantity.

OSS pays at the race a $10,000 purse per class
SBI pays ? and when?

OSS only allows canopy boats

OSS has racers to comitt to every race in the year

Plain and simple there black and white.

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Randy, out of curiousity, have you read the rule book? Well wait a minute you ask questions 20 times about eligibilty into KW(and get 20 answers), so theres no way you have taken the time to do so. If you have issues, you talk to your class rep, then it is brought to the board, umm the board(group) then votes(sound familiar?). The rulebook doesnt say that verbatim, but I figured I'd try and simplify it for you so you wont ask stupid and repetitive questions as 90% of your posts are.

Dang what happened to you? What kills me is that I looked up to you and told people that havent met you how great a guy you are. Boy I look like a jacka$$ now, but you know I'll get over it as I am sure you already have.
Good luck to you this year and be safe.

Trent

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Thanks for the personal attack on me. When some of you on this board go out and spend over $100,000 on race boats and have 2 spare boats in your yard you cant run then you can say I don't know what I'm talking about. I have been part of the best Factory racing offshore racing has ever seen. I was one of the few teams that raced the first year till 2003 when it died. I also raced SBI,APBA,OPA,Great Lakes and used to do 14 races a year. SO don't tell me Im a one organization racer. When people needed boat count I was there. When APBA asked us not to race in KW I didnt. When there was 2 worlds we raced both SBI and APBA. When we needed to take 3 weeks off work to travel to the worlds I was there. When there was a APBA race in Toronto on Sat and A SBI race in NYC on Sun. we drove all night to do 2 races in one weekend with both. Typhoon has raced 85 races in 7 years. When OSS was formed we went to SVL and know have limited time to race. I'm no super hero but a racer that has earned the right to speak my mind.
MD :mad:

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MD

Just race 2 Sbi/Apba races and you can race in Key West.

Mike

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Mike its not just me! Its the whole OSS that you have to convince to do it.
Im afraid there wont be a unified race this year and the town of KW,fans and racers will be the losers again. That stinks because of some 2 race min.for UIM that no one gives a hoot about. It is pretty sad its come to that.
MD

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No I agree totally , You ran 2 Great Lakes Races and 1 SBI race last year. And no its not a personal attack on you. I have told you time and time again that I have respected you and your team. But when you ask the same stupid question about KW over and over again and get the same answer over and over again, what are we all supposed to think?

You get on here and post last year after the worlds" Where's my money?" When you dont take a moment and consider the legistical nightmare that occurred in KW with having 2 sanctioning bodies and 1 organization running in one race. Also how many hands the money had to go thru b4 it was sent to you. Now you say that "SBI is a dictatorship" when in fact it is the total opposite. All you have done on here is take personal attacks on John Carbonell. Sorry, but I take offense to that. He is not perfect, by any stretch of the imagination, but who is? No matter what, he has been an active part of this sport before we even thought about offshore racing and will be here way after. Looks to me like he has done something right. Whether he had 20 boats at a race or 100 boats at a race, he's still plugging along.

And yes Randy over time you have raced your a$$ off, one of the many reasons I looked up to you, and yes you have a lot of money invested into this sport. I unfortunetly am one of the have-nots in racing. I dont have the kind of portfolio you have at the moment. Because of my love and desire for this sport I had to spend the night before a race, in my truck. Over the past couple of years, I have spent every dime i have come across and put it into this sport. But you know what, we both put our pants on 1 leg at a time. All I ask is that you read the SBI/APBA rulebook anytime you have any questions concerning KW and either follow them or dont, this is America, we all have choices. You are a great guy Randy, but your posts make people think otherwise.

Enough going back and forth on this thing though, you want to talk, my number is 321-508-3077. As i have said time and time again, Good luck wherever you chose to race this year and most importanlty be safe.

Trent

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Randy....I still don't get what your about......Like Trent said you have changed...not a personal attack...but you say why OSS is so great..and I'm not saying there not....but to brag how they are so perfessional and then say just race were you want and have fun...and now post here how SBI/APBA should not have a World Chanpionship race because you don't want to obey there rules is just stupid...Now I know you are not speaking for OSS because I now Paul W. and Elaine M. would not ask SBI.APBA to do such a thing....Your comment to why OSS members won't combined with SBI is made by you....and we hear you...so why be involved with the SBI/APBA Worlds....If you feel so strongley about OSS why not post a tread on how OSS should have there own Worlds and invite everyone and see who shows....To sit here and already try to say without OSS the Worlds will not be great is a slap in the face to a lot of people....
Why can't you just move on and race OSS...
We all know you are here to just stir the pot...but there becomes a time were your voice and your comments are a reflection of your Organization...and people have to start to wounder if maybe OSS likes the comments that you make...but don't thing Paul or any OSS board member would get on a public form and make the comments that you make...and when you stop and think about it..there is a reason why they don't.....
If there is a so called boycot were no OSS teams will do the 2 races in SBI/APBA to qualifie for the Worlds..then maybe you and the rest of the OSS teams should take some responsiblity for your disition and the outcome....you have the opertunity to race the Worlds and you say it has to do with money and fee's...well so do I...I have to pay $2300 to join OSS and entry fees just to do 1 OR 2 races...so if I do one OSS race its going to cost me $4,000 including the entry fees + crew members...and thats the rules and I will follow them like we all do if we want to race....
Again these are not personal attacks on you...I am responding to your comments on what your justification is on how there should be no Worlds if you can't get in FREE....
I know its a long shot...and we don't see eye to eye...but maybe this year we can all just sit down and just have a drink and not talk all this B.S. at a race like we used to

Take care...

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Randy is the F1 World Champ from a few years back. Doesn't the give him and Glenn and all other prior APBA/SBI World Champs the chance to compete in Key West?

How far back can you go and does it have to be in the exact same class?

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Why doesnt everyone try the OSS thing instead of the APBA / SBI thing and give it a try,Bob Bull is a great guy and we all know what Bubba can do,evryone says we should all go to them,why ot go to OSS,all of the people involved have been involved for years and they are willing to listen to all sugestions including open cockpit boats,they also have a multi year plan and want to make this a more professional sport,and they are one group who is open for the unification of the sport and also to help the sport grow,not limit it to if you do this or you do that you can do or not do .It is about Unification as a whole not I am better than you or you are better than me,it is about BOAT RACING and that is it.Why not try reversing the roles and see how it works.We have already experienced the other people trying to make it work and we all have seen the results,there are not enough race boats as it is let alone enough not to all be racing together,PERIOD

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who reall cares if he runs key west not sbi-apba-umi im sure! :bunny:

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OSS only offers a few classes. No offshore Races. Hate flat water, I gave up water skiing years ago for something a little more challenging,

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WOW. OK guys you all win. I dont want to hear later this year that you cant understand why there cant be a unified worlds. All I wanted to do was to try to have a unified worlds again. As I said before which you dont believe most OSS teams will not run 2 races to qualify. Im off this subject for now.
Trent, the where is my money issue was based on an agreement that we would be paid in 2 weeks after the worlds and it took much longer than that. I thought I was entitled to my money if I was told I would be paid in 2 weeks.
What else do you call an organization with one leader that calls all the shots. Im not taking shots at John. give me a better name then :mad:
MD

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Randy, I am not taking any sides here, but just to shed a little light, I went to Atlanta for the SBI-APBA meeting. Reps from each class were chosen, rules were discussed changes were made, and ballots were then sent to the teams to vote on these changes. I myself was surprised at the way the rules were handed to the racers to decide on. My own feeling are If you dont have a guy at the top making the final calls, you cant move forward. Too many indians not enough Chiefs. Smitty

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........a corporation or LLC.

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I have edited my post to LLC for Phantom