Kilo question
 

I see that SBI/APBA will be running Kilo's again in Tenn.

Will these Kilo's be official APBA/UIM sanctioned and recognized?

Were the Kilos in NC APBA/UIM sanctioned and recognized?

I'm wondering if someone ups the numbers in TN, will it supersede the speeds from Reggieville.

I'm confused? I thought Kilos occured once a year.

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Call SBI and I'm sure they can give u all the info you want.

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Is it that hard of a question?

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About as hard as calling SBI and getting the correct answers instead of hear say. If you can....

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Frank is your info you post correct or just hear say? Im sure you speak to JC every day and if you say thats what he said then thats good enough for us. We dont want to call JC for every little question and he will not write anything on the board so maybe you can be his mouth piece for us. Thanks
MD

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Hi Randy,
How r u bud.
From my understanding there will be no Kilo's in Tenn. If anything changes I'll post it.

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that was pretty easy.

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So why not just say that?

I'll get the answers elsewhere. Thanks for your help Frank.

Ron

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Ron,

The reason I don't like to post things, is that things change. You being a so called report, I would think you would want to get your information from the originations instead on hear say. I would think as a so called reporter you would want to quote your source, and give everyone the proper information.

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Yup Frank, I'm a so called reporter but that doesn't mean that every time I ask a question its related to a story. But your right, this one was regarding a story. I need some answers for clarity regarding the NC Kilo records. See, I'm doing my job. OSO is a wealth of knowledge. True it should be checked against other source, but on a Sunday morning, when I have an idea, it's a great place to start. What's wrong with that?

I'll give you a clue about being a reporter for a boating magazine that features offshore racing. My job is to paint this sport in the best light possible while still being truthfull and accurate. I try to write about offshore races in a fun and entertaining fashion so you have something to read while you're looking at the photos while taking a crap. When I do have to actually look for a story that isn't right in front of me - such as a race, I have to look for leads to get to the truth. OSO can supply those leads.

I did get the info I needed from other sources and it all makes for an interesting story so you'll see it in EBM.

Lighten up Frank, I'm not writing about you. Nor have I ever said one negative word about SBI/APBA so what's your problem?

PS I have SBI's phone number and you have mine so call me if you want. This should really stop here.

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Frank and Ron, chill out, for heavens sake you both love the same sport and lord knows we don't have enough fans or competitors to be shooting each other.
Ron as to your question about APBA/UIM records: I cannot speak for the NC records as I wasn't there and don't know what specific records they were going for. As it relates to your other question about when new records can be sent, let me answer: When you obtain a sanction for a (APBA) KILO you have a choice of either APBA records or also APBA/UIM records. Each sanction creates a new opportunity to set or break an existing record. If you had an event one weekend and established new records, they would be good until the next sanctioned event. That next event could be the following weekend, and if faster speeds were posted and the event were sanctioned for the same record as the prior weekends KILOS, you would then establish a new record. If a boat breaks a record or sets a record say on a Saturday KILO, and another boat in the same class goes even faster than the previous boat, the highest speed of the day will be considered the new record.

Hope that clears it up for you. Frank, good luck in the upcoming races and Ron keep writing the good stuff about the sport :)

Steve David

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I spoke with "Pops" Friday about the Chattanooga race and there WILL BE Kilo runs on Friday and lap records on Saturday, then the race on Sunday. Also the P classes will get to join in on the lap records as each p class boat will be trying to get as close to the break out lap speed with out going over and the ones that get the closest to there class's limit wins. I encourage all racers to attend as this will be a great event and hope to make it an annual one.

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Thanks Steve, as always, nice clear answers with a professional attitude.

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Steve:

If a record is set down wind..... and the wind changes between attempts...... and the record is set on the international date line...... and the driver has dysentery......... does Edgar Rose's...rarely used......

Reverse Lift/Bi-Dateline/Diarrhea Exemption apply?

T2x :p

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From what I was told, the Washington Kilo records were not UIM sanctioned and are only SBI/APBA.

Gordon Erd
Velocity Powerboats

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Ron P,
"Just for the record", I think you and EMB are doing an outstanding job!!! Keep up the good work... I look forward to my subscription every month.

Sorry to butt in on this thread... Everyone else, just continue on your ways.

Ben

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T2X,

That wind you and I hear is the velocity and volume of air movement between and thru our ears with little in the way to slow it down.............................:) Luv ya Rich! Best to Darren.

Steve

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so what was NC kilo SBI /APBA and no UIM ? Was it World records or international ? What would the diff be anyhow.

What will the Kilo's in Tenn. be from a sanctioning
standpoint, (if there are kilo's in Tenn.) ?

if you ran NC and it was not UIM and Tenn is UIM then wouldn't the NC record stand as an APBA /SBI record and any UIM sanctioned Kilo be set apart from APBA /SBI/WPR



I'm a bit confused also.

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Same here!
:confused:

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A world record is one granted by UIM and if held in the US would be sanctioned by the APBA. If held in another country, it would be sanctioned by the National Authority of that country that is also a UIM member. If one were seeking a world record in say SVL, and SVL had the same rules worldwide, then wherever the event was held, be it Panama, Russia, the US, Japan, etc. it would be the world record for SVL.
If the KILO event were sanctioned by any other group, it would be a record within that group. EG: An SBI/APBA record would be an SBI/APBA record, same for OPA etc.
While confusing, we've nothing on the confusion in sports car racing between IRL, CART, SCCA, IMSA, AmericanLeMans, etc. etc. Or ARCA, NASCAR Northwest, Busch, Nextel etc. or the various dirt car organizations. We tend to think we're the only motorsport screwed up, yet we're in league with some pretty heavy company.
The strength in the UIM certification is the worldwide acceptance of UIM and it's 120 plus member nations as the ultimate arbiter of "World". While here in the US our fractionalization has reduced the perceived value of UIM, other nations still hold it in high esteem. UIM recognizes only one national authority in each country, and in the US that is APBA. Maybe, someday, we can hold a joint KILO event in the USA for every organization under the sun and there would thus be one world record holder in each of the recognized classes. The challenge would be adoption of technical rules that would embrace the "whole" event.
There are some pretty bright folks within OSS, OPA, POPBRA, APBA/SBI etc which leaves open the possibility of possibilities :)

Steve

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Amen brother.......

In boat racing, the holy grail has always been a UIM World Record...and a UIM World Championship. The APBA has been the UIM recognised sanctioning body in the U.S. for decades. This is not only true for Offshore, but inboard, OPC, stock outboard, pro, etc.....etc. are also recognised through APBA. I am not sure where that leaves Unlimited Hydros , who have "gone off on their own"..... but the bottom line is that if ya want's a Woild Wecord..... ya need's a UIM/APBA sanction.
That having been said....... any recognised sanctioning body can "certify" a record.... My son Darren has a physically challenged throttleman record at 121+ mph sanctioned by NJPPC..... but a "true" World Record must have UIM's seal of approval to prove that it was set on a properly measured and timed course...witnessed by trained officials..... and eligible to eclipse any and all previous marks set anywhere in the world...... This is sometimes a lengthy and confusing process .... but I have never known it to be corrupted, at least to any significant degree. ( Although Lake Windemere in England does seem to flow down stream in both directions at times..... :p )

Bottom line.... It may not be perfect , but the UIM process is the best in the world at present.... and has significant history and tradition behind it.

T2x

P.S........ If you're wondering about my "agenda" here...... it sure ain't to "endorse" any particular sanctioning group..... but rather to bring them all together under one UIM/APBA Detroit umbrella..... and cut out the rest of the crap.

Toodles :D

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Great answers.

So when a boat runs a kilo for it's class, say SVL, does it need to follow all the SVL rules such as minimum weight and everything else or can they run it lite, just because it's an SVL boat?

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If the boat doesn't meet minimum weight then the boat isn't a legal SVL.


What would be the point of having rules? :confused:

My question last year was what class did Rio Roses fall under to become the fastest Vee-Bottom Record?
Or was that something completely unrelated to racing and just a record of top speed for a Vee?

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To establish or break a record, the boat must meet ALL technical rules for the class. ALL meaning ALL AND EVERY. The rules further prohibit gaining assistance from shore, such as changing props before the return run and being towed in order to reverse the travel of the boat. The fastest average speed between a contiguous "downriver" and upriver" run constitutes the new speed. This last rule helps to avoid a downriver, with the tide type of run that might not be possible to duplicate at another event.

hope this helps,

Steve

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My understanding is that to set a UIM class record... EVERY RULE must be followed including minimum weight, number of drivers, prop thickness, engine specs, drive specs, safety equipment.....etc, etc.

In the past many classes have/had no weight restrictions or specific detailed rules.... (The old "Open" and "Superboat" Classes)..... but, today.... at least in OSS...the rules are pretty strict and clear and cover everything up to RPM limiters and so forth. There was also a "spirit and intent" rule which eliminated the use of significant techniques that were not specifically prohibited but created an obvious departure from the class profile....... I.e. helium filled blow up dolls as co-drivers.... or a 25 foot detachable kite wing on top of the boat.

Or one of a kind forged propellers....in SVL........ etc etc.

T2x

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What kind of an egocentric publicity hound would do something like that?

T2x :D :D :D

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Which brings me back to crossing the international dateline during a kilo run...... whereby a single boat can set two records on different days........ at the same time.

Now if the boat is driven by a father and a son...who are married to a mother(son) and a daughter(father).... in opposite rotation...

The Steve David "Rule of Twos"...... does apply.

T2x :p :p :p

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If this seems silly to you.........

It is actually simpler than explaining today's offshore rules, sanctioning bodies, classes.....and records.

T2x........ I can feel the love already :D