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BRUCE SEROFF 02-26-2009 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by daredevil (Post 2809074)
1- i "DID" not finish races !!!!
2- Can't wait untill u show me ,,,hand down :rolleyes::evilb:

well...if past performance is any indication of your future performance, You will not finish races. :grinser010:

MANITIE 02-26-2009 10:00 AM

Here is the question......can the boat be competitive in Class 4.....Yes.....but you may have to put in a little more HP.....But I hear you...that you don't want to ....but if OPA takes that approach and puts boats in the next class down becasue they don't or can't step the HP up...then they will find themselves with opening a can of worms with every other team...now do you not see your boat with a big advantage with a canopy racing against open cockpit boats in big water....so what happends is your at a disadvantage in big water in Class 4 with your boat but will be at a advantage in big water against Class 5 boats....

I think its great guys like Heater have come out to race OPA and OSS....hats off to him.....but if the boat is not compeditive in SVL...and is unsafe in calm water at 87 mph.....why not cut the lid of and run it as a open cockpit boat with no seat belts....its then like the F1 boats.....and you can run it at a safer speed.....

I don't speak for OPA in any way.....I'm just looking in from the ourside and can see how this one boat could open the doors for a number of complants for other teams in the future....

Heater....I hope some way things can be worked out some how so we can see you this year in OPA.....

Wahoo ATV 02-26-2009 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by axapowell (Post 2808985)
So I've been lurking and listening to everyone’s opinions and concerns about the Activator in class 5. Dave here, the throttleman with Heater.

I think that OPA does a great job, but I think that they messed up putting us with class 4. Don't get defensive and your panties in a bunch yet...hear me out.

You weren't the ones in the cockpit in OC TRYING to get the boat on plane coming out of the channel. We raced our azzes off in OC trying to keep up with the other class 4 boats. Rough water we're better? 26' with a 6' beam...and a will to live! We are not much bigger than a Bat Boat. Our STOCK SEALED (from Merc and can be verified) 525 is a great engine package, but as Heater has said, we can't keep a drive on the thing. Pushing the speed envelope with that boat to be at 85mph all day is just not realistic. I would guess to say that if you took EVERY boat in class 5...put it on the edge, with the most aggressive set-up, they would all run 88mph. See, that's what we have to do to TRY to keep up in class 4. We can't out accelerate a twin boat, even Augie's condo blew us away on the start of the OC race.

For those who don't know, we have the ONLY 26' canopied Activator...the "red headed stepchild" as it is. Everyone has had their hand on this thing and everyone has their solution to make it run faster. It can't. We have maxed out the time and effort to get it competitive in OSS, we can't keep up. The best fit we believe is OPA class 5. We will STILL be one of the smallest boats there!

Thanks for listening,
Dave

Quote from Heater63
"Actually the boat is no longer in my hands,Its somewhere warm.I'm told it is finally breaking the 90mph mark and they think they can get a few more out of it.So I guess we'll just have to wait and see"

"last report 93.6"

So I think your speed may be a little understated. Also a bat boat is 22 x 4 or 88 spft and all have small blocks with 260hp -400hp.
Your are comparing 26 x 6 or 156sqft and 545 hp, not even close to apples to apples.

DareDevil 02-26-2009 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by BRUCE SEROFF (Post 2809080)
well...if past performance is any indication of your future performance, You will not finish races. :grinser010:

NO,,,its not,,,, but i learned something !!!! it the performance of the boat was changed dramaticly,,,,thats all i can say for now.

C-YA,,,behind me !!!! LOL :grinser010::ernaehrung004:

BRUCE SEROFF 02-26-2009 10:05 AM

Gino, Thats the same argument I am making for the twin eng. 30 ft. plus boats in 5, which really is the topic of this discussion. Those boats can be competitive in 4 if they added more power. Maybe for Heater too. But they dont want to or cant afford to. So where do you draw the line? As I stated before. Everyone cant be happy. Enforce the rules to keep parity.

MANITIE 02-26-2009 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by BRUCE SEROFF (Post 2809091)
Gino, Thats the same argument I am making for the twin eng. 30 ft. plus boats in 5, which really is the topic of this discussion. Those boats can be competitive in 4 if they added more power. Maybe for Heater too. But they dont want to or cant afford to. So where do you draw the line? As I stated before. Everyone cant be happy. Enforce the rules to keep parity.

Bruce....I agree....I'm not that current on the twin engines in Class 5 other then the 2 O/B......that are running.....and its just my opion that I would not like to see twin engines in Class 5......Class 5 is a good entry class for single engine boats that are 27 - 30 feet....the speeds are safe at 75mph in a open cockpit boat.....and I like that Class 6 is there for boats at 26 feet and under.....at 70 mph. the speeds are very safe and if you have notivce there are very few ejections accuring with a lot of good racers pushing the limits..I think OPA found a great combination here for safety...the speeds can been safely run without putting a lot of teams over ther heads to keep up..plus...I like that its puts these boats in a good hp range that have good reliability.....it not a show if 15 boats start in Class 5 and 9 brake in the first 3 laps.....not to mention any names....but his initals are DAREDEVIL.....

I think another thing that needs to be looked at is that the OPA makes the final desision not the racers in that class.....just because the racers think its OK to let a boat in....dose not mean that it will bring in more boats to the class...it could also just do the oppisit.....we need to keep it simple.....and not change alot of rules to chace down a few more boats.....OPA has a open door to discussions.....and if someones boat dose not fit in....there are enough good people in OPA to find some sulutions to do something with out changing the rules...........

The foundation was set 3 years ago for OPA and there rules....and I'm not saying tweeking should never be done.....but if its not broke...don't fix it....

DareDevil 02-26-2009 10:57 AM

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.....not to mention any names....but his initals are DAREDEVIL.....

OH boy ,,,,now u start with me aswell,,,,mmmmhhhhhh.

I need to figure something out now !!!:grinser010::ernaehrung004:

C-YA !!!

OH did i mension that i met some guy's from jersey down here ,,,they where def. lost though.

GoFastSonic 02-26-2009 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by daredevil (Post 2809129)
.....not to mention any names....but his initals are DAREDEVIL.....

OH boy ,,,,now u start with me aswell,,,,mmmmhhhhhh.

I need to figure something out now !!!:grinser010::ernaehrung004:

C-YA !!!

OH did i mension that i met some guy's from jersey down here ,,,they where def. lost though.

That aint right Scott! On my way down tomorrow have a cold beer ready

DareDevil 02-26-2009 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by GoFastSonic (Post 2809286)
That aint right Scott! On my way down tomorrow have a cold beer ready

:rolleyes::grinser010: LOL:ernaehrung004:

BRUCE SEROFF 02-26-2009 03:42 PM

I think you ought to watch your mouth and respect your elders. Your a kid on a keyboard. You might get away with that talk in your house, with your dad. And thats fine. But learn some respect. You wont get very far talking like that in the real world. If you you want to play with the older kids ....GROW UP!!! Obviously you have no clue how lucky you are to be 15 and racing boats on someone else's dime. But understand these guys work very hard to make the money required to race boats, and in my opinion, they have the right to voice their opinions. You haven't earned that right yet.

DareDevil 02-26-2009 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by Stuck On Stupid (Post 2809363)
Yeah ok elder of mine that i respect so much you have no idea how much i appreichiet the people who but me where i am today. Bob Costa and Jimmy Winters and Herb Stotler the list is endless. Sure you go to work and make your money put your time in and come race and work hard but where were you last year, and Mr.Elder i will get on this forum boared and post what i feel and defend my guys the organizations guys but this subject Erks me in a way you'll never understand. Because i feel for this dood, Because this guy is getting into the coolest sport ever and you and a couple of other people are throwing these rules at him that clearly arent true ''until the class call'' and trying to back him down with these rules.

And where do you come off speaking to me like that your the worst of them all whith the keyboared tuffness. non of that was directed at anybody that was the way i felt about this end of story beleive me Mr.Elder if this was directed at somebody then there name would be in it. And you havent been around for a wile either to know me well enough to see that half of that was a joke and Sarcastic.

Have a nice day Mr. Elder

Boomer:drink:

WOW,,,,,,,be nice guys,,, year just started.

BRUCE SEROFF 02-26-2009 04:21 PM

with age comes wisdom.....unfortunately, your "stuck on stupid"

Wazzup Racing 02-26-2009 04:26 PM

I appologize gents. Jr's wings have been clipped

KN 02-26-2009 09:48 PM


Originally Posted by Wazzup Racing (Post 2803049)
Hi Kirk, If the running lenght is under 30 ft you are good for class 5. The twin IO boats are ok, provided it does fall within the speed bracket of the class. We might have to go for a spin. If you have any questions 732 920 3945. Gimmie a buzz. Smitty


Hey guys, what a can of worms I seem to have opened up here. I would like to run a race this year and see how it goes. I was just looking on your website to see where I would fit in. Hence the questons? I applause all of you racers for your commitment to the sport. I think you all are extremely lucky to have Smitty in charge of your organization, You have a great thing going and it must be very difficult to keep everybody happy. Right off the bat he answered my questions and gave me his number. I'm not asking for any exeptions to the rules if I fit in class 5 rules I would prefer to race there. This is a full pleasure boat with stock Mercury 454 Mag MPI total 770 HP with a best ever top speed of 78 MPH more realistick speed of 75MPH. I would have to take the coolers, anchor, kids toys, make sure there was nothing in the fridge, duct tape the microwave door closed, take out the porta potty before the race. I understand the racers in P-5 want to keep the integrety of there class and the competition fair. But I really don't think you have to worry about me. Keep up the great job you guys are doing and good luck this year. And If everthing goes OK this summer hopefully I'll get a chance to meet some of you.

Thanks, Kirk

HighPriority 02-26-2009 10:00 PM

Look foward to meeting you Kirk.

Wahoo ATV 02-27-2009 08:21 AM

Kirk,

Sunsation is having their owners rally at the Harrison Twp Michigan race July 24-26. They are also very involved in the race, so we are considering a race of just sunsation boats as a demonstration. We will also have a charity radar run, Sunsation Poker Run and Entertainment. Come over race the boat and hangout with 150 other Sunsation guys too.

www.HarrisonOffshore.com

DareDevil 02-27-2009 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by KN (Post 2809674)
Hey guys, what a can of worms I seem to have opened up here. I would like to run a race this year and see how it goes. I was just looking on your website to see where I would fit in. Hence the questons? I applause all of you racers for your commitment to the sport. I think you all are extremely lucky to have Smitty in charge of your organization, You have a great thing going and it must be very difficult to keep everybody happy. Right off the bat he answered my questions and gave me his number. I'm not asking for any exeptions to the rules if I fit in class 5 rules I would prefer to race there. This is a full pleasure boat with stock Mercury 454 Mag MPI total 770 HP with a best ever top speed of 78 MPH more realistick speed of 75MPH. I would have to take the coolers, anchor, kids toys, make sure there was nothing in the fridge, duct tape the microwave door closed, take out the porta potty before the race. I understand the racers in P-5 want to keep the integrety of there class and the competition fair. But I really don't think you have to worry about me. Keep up the great job you guys are doing and good luck this year. And If everthing goes OK this summer hopefully I'll get a chance to meet some of you.

Thanks, Kirk

Kirk,,,,if u dont or can't race your sunsation ,,,u are welcome to race my boat with me ,,to get the feel !!!

But i hope it works out for ya.:ernaehrung004:

BRUCE SEROFF 02-27-2009 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by daredevil (Post 2809889)
Kirk,,,,if u dont or can't race your sunsation ,,,u are welcome to race my boat with me ,,to get the feel !!!

But i hope it works out for ya.:ernaehrung004:

How much feel do you really think he'd get on the trailer?:eek:

DareDevil 02-27-2009 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by BRUCE SEROFF (Post 2809895)
How much feel do you really think he'd get on the trailer?:eek:

Hey ,,,Bruce i was thinking in my boat ,,not in yours .LOL:grinser010:

<<<<<<<<By the way,,,L@@K to the left here,,,don't see no trailer !?

BRUCE SEROFF 02-27-2009 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by daredevil (Post 2809900)
Hey ,,,Bruce i was thinking in my boat ,,not in yours .LOL:grinser010:

<<<<<<<<By the way,,,L@@K to the left here,,,don't see no trailer !?

must have been in the frst lap then:grinser010:

2 Trick Rick 02-27-2009 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by daredevil (Post 2809900)
Hey ,,,Bruce i was thinking in my boat ,,not in yours .LOL:grinser010:

<<<<<<<<By the way,,,L@@K to the left here,,,don't see no trailer !?

Photoshop?

BRUCE SEROFF 02-27-2009 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by 2 Trick Rick (Post 2809913)
Photoshop?

:drink::drink::drink:

DareDevil 02-27-2009 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by 2 Trick Rick (Post 2809913)
Photoshop?

U guys are a piece of work !! LOL:grinser010::drink::ernaehrung004:

fantastixvoyage 02-27-2009 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by Wahoo ATV (Post 2809884)
Kirk,

Sunsation is having their owners rally at the Harrison Twp Michigan race July 24-26. They are also very involved in the race, so we are considering a race of just sunsation boats as a demonstration. We will also have a charity radar run, Sunsation Poker Run and Entertainment. Come over race the boat and hangout with 150 other Sunsation guys too.

www.HarrisonOffshore.com

Excellent point Dean. Kirk well worth your time. Either event - Rally or Race - is worth going to...put them together and it'll be a blow-out for sure! Come on over to MI with that rig and I'm sure you'll be able to put in some laps in one class or another...and then the hook will be set! :drink:

AugiePensa 02-27-2009 11:33 AM

peace..."Piece" of work you German Bitc$! You ain't got a shot in hell with Bruce Schultzy! Kirk, welcome


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