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TeamSaris 01-09-2014 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by 302Sport (Post 4054144)
I think a standard 200hp 3 liter optimax would be a good spec engine. As far as cheating and making sure that nobody is cheating, its simple. Anybody who wants to accuse another racer of cheating can simply pay for a tear down and inspect of the accused cheaters engine.

Thats a heavy and expensive motor that will take a beating offshore. You need at least solid mounts, lighter cowls, etc to make the stuff last. It really isnt that simple either. Who is doing the teardown? Bracket is the way to go. Usually the people who dont think bracket racing is competitive racing...have never done either.

TeamSaris 01-09-2014 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by waterboy1 (Post 4053971)
The 60mph speed bracket rule was implemented with safety,parity,and cost in mind.We also wanted teams to be able to "run what you brung" to get the class going.The seven currently registered boats have engines ranging from 200-300HP.There is no doubt that having more horsepower can be a competitive advantage,but several other factors are important to running well:boat set up,reliability,and the ability of the driver and throttleman to work well together etc.With that being said, I think long term a stock 200hp outboard makes sense.

200hp is the perfect amount on these boats for running 60. You dont have to run loose, stuff will last, etc. But 3.0s are not an offshore motor...at least on these boats.

Bilgerat 01-12-2014 12:56 PM

Maybe this isn't the place ? as I believe the rule book says 300hp. But since I am assembling a boat now, what am I shopping for? A buddy found a 250, if I pop on that am I screwing myself for the season, when it changes down to 225? I don't have an engine yet so I can acquire what I need, but only plan on doing it once.

TYPHOON 01-13-2014 08:05 AM

Smitty needs to address this now IMO. Either have a conference call with teams and prospective teams and toss around the pros and cons or leave it be the wild west of HP and money. Do this class right and it will grow big quick. Let class 6 be the learning lesson and turn it down a notch or 2 IMO.

TeamSaris 01-13-2014 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by Bilgerat (Post 4055825)
Maybe this isn't the place ? as I believe the rule book says 300hp. But since I am assembling a boat now, what am I shopping for? A buddy found a 250, if I pop on that am I screwing myself for the season, when it changes down to 225? I don't have an engine yet so I can acquire what I need, but only plan on doing it once.

Talk to Mark Henderson, although as I understand it its staying open HP but Bracket Speeds.


Randy you cant compare 6 and 7. Weight makes such a big difference in these little boats...a 3.0 engine (250s, 300s, etc) is going to throw the balance of the boat way off. By the time you throw 100lbs up front to balance it, the guy with the smaller HP 2.5 is going to spank ya.
I get what you mean though

302Sport 01-13-2014 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by TeamSaris (Post 4056192)
Talk to Mark Henderson, although as I understand it its staying open HP but Bracket Speeds.


Randy you cant compare 6 and 7. Weight makes such a big difference in these little boats...a 3.0 engine (250s, 300s, etc) is going to throw the balance of the boat way off. By the time you throw 100lbs up front to balance it, the guy with the smaller HP 2.5 is going to spank ya.
I get what you mean though

There are a couple 22's that will run 90+ with a 2.5 280, if you propped that thing to run in the bracket it would accelerate like a rocket :eekdrop:

rchevelle71 01-13-2014 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by Bilgerat (Post 4055825)
Maybe this isn't the place ? as I believe the rule book says 300hp. But since I am assembling a boat now, what am I shopping for? A buddy found a 250, if I pop on that am I screwing myself for the season, when it changes down to 225? I don't have an engine yet so I can acquire what I need, but only plan on doing it once.

If it is a 250 merc, it can be detuned to 225 very easily, or even up tuned to close to 300 almost as easy.

TeamSaris 01-13-2014 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by 302Sport (Post 4056198)
There are a couple 22's that will run 90+ with a 2.5 280, if you propped that thing to run in the bracket it would accelerate like a rocket :eekdrop:

And have to be rebuilt every other race.
They are also super light weight boats, with tons of setback. Not an ocean runner....
Right now the 21s running near 100 all have 300x motors.

Vortec Bandit 01-15-2014 09:08 PM

A 22 foot Bat Boat or Backdraft with a Stock 90 Merc runs about 72MPH in the ocean. No other 22 footer will see it in the rough with anything less than a 2.5 . My 23 Bat Boat ran 103 with a 2.5 260 offshore propped for flat conditions. Set up for the ocean it ran 97MPH. On any typical offshore race day with a 6 mile course I was lapping my class by the third lap while texting from the drivers seat. My class was comprised of Progressions, Activators, Phantoms (British version), Superboats, Velocity. The closest was the Phantom.

Bilgerat 01-16-2014 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by Vortec Bandit (Post 4057702)
A 22 foot Bat Boat or Backdraft with a Stock 90 Merc runs about 72MPH in the ocean. No other 22 footer will see it in the rough with anything less than a 2.5 . My 23 Bat Boat ran 103 with a 2.5 260 offshore propped for flat conditions. Set up for the ocean it ran 97MPH. On any typical offshore race day with a 6 mile course I was lapping my class by the third lap while texting from the drivers seat. My class was comprised of Progressions, Activators, Phantoms (British version), Superboats, Velocity. The closest was the Phantom.

Anyone have a 22' BatBoat they want to trade for my 22' Velocity ? ? Sounds unbeatable.


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