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290enticer 02-02-2011 07:19 PM

magnum or not??
 
Recently purchased at 1990 290 enticer, was told by owner that the engines were 454 mags?? I haven't seen any proof of these being mags. The carb covers say 454 v8/bravo, hp 330. Don't have anything about them being mags?? Where can i verify this?? Thanks guys!

boatnt 02-02-2011 10:00 PM

post a picture of the engines

AJ POWERPLAY 02-02-2011 10:42 PM

I know what motors you are referring to... they look like a MAG due to an identical intake cover but are not... if it doesn't say MAG on the plastic cowl then it isn't, it is the 330hp version. These were later switched to the 7.4 mpi's making 310hp.

boatnt 02-03-2011 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by ajfisher (Post 3314707)
I know what motors you are referring to... they look like a MAG due to an identical intake cover but are not... if it doesn't say MAG on the plastic cowl then it isn't, it is the 330hp version. These were later switched to the 7.4 mpi's making 310hp.

you are a sponge full of information.

AJ POWERPLAY 02-03-2011 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by boatnt (Post 3314811)
you are a sponge full of information.

Haha yes, there was a 290 for sale not to long ago that was listed as 310's but to me looked like mags... I inquired about them and the guy didn't know much. So he took the numbers and called mercury to get to the bottom of it, they ended up being 330's... look exactly the same as mags but don't say mag on the sticker... same goes for the fuel injected versions

AngerMgmt 02-03-2011 07:51 AM

Now I'm confused. I thought the older carbed 454's were 300 hp and the mags were 330hp. Mine's a 91, and just says 7.4L Bravo One on the carb covers (nothing about "mag"), so I always thought they were 300hp. I'd be curious if someone knows how to find out from the ser #'s. Not worried about 30 hp, but cast vs forged internals would be handy to know. Thanks........

boatnt 02-03-2011 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by AngerMgmt (Post 3314837)
Now I'm confused. I thought the older carbed 454's were 300 hp and the mags were 330hp. Mine's a 91, and just says 7.4L Bravo One on the carb covers (nothing about "mag"), so I always thought they were 300hp. I'd be curious if someone knows how to find out from the ser #'s. Not worried about 30 hp, but cast vs forged internals would be handy to know. Thanks........

the carb 7.4 version is 330hp at the flywheel ,300hp at prop.
all cast internals,4 bolt mains.

the carb 454 mag is 365hp,forged internals and 4 bolt mains.

verbi69 02-03-2011 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by boatnt (Post 3314898)
the carb 7.4 version is 330hp at the flywheel ,300hp at prop.
all cast internals,4 bolt mains.

the carb 454 mag is 365hp,forged internals and 4 bolt mains.

I think there was a 385 hp version as well.

apollard 02-03-2011 09:39 AM

Some of the carbed BIII's used by PQ had the forged internals (Merc manual : "7.4L Bravo Three engines with engine code UB with serial number OF1589289 and lower have forged pistons."). I have one of these in my '94 257. A long time Merc mechanic told me these also have forged cranks, but I have not verified that and the manuals says cast.

boatnt 02-03-2011 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by verbi69 (Post 3314923)
I think there was a 385 hp version as well.

that would be the EFI 454 mag

boatnt 02-03-2011 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by apollard (Post 3314936)
Some of the carbed BIII's used by PQ had the forged internals (Merc manual : "7.4L Bravo Three engines with engine code UB with serial number OF1589289 and lower have forged pistons."). I have one of these in my '94 257. A long time Merc mechanic told me these also have forged cranks, but I have not verified that and the manuals says cast.

That is correct on the BIII but I believe he has BIs

AngerMgmt 02-03-2011 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by boatnt (Post 3314898)
the carb 7.4 version is 330hp at the flywheel ,300hp at prop.
all cast internals,4 bolt mains.

the carb 454 mag is 365hp,forged internals and 4 bolt mains.

Boatnt, thanks for clearing that up!!

verbi69 02-03-2011 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by boatnt (Post 3315003)
that would be the EFI 454 mag

Thank you!

290enticer 02-03-2011 06:18 PM

I can post pics, but the engine cover don't say mag, it says 330hp. Thats ok though. Im gonna have to tell the previous owner this. I don't know where he got that they were mags??

Knot 4 Me 02-04-2011 07:45 AM

You can quickly tell by the intake manifold if it is a MAG or standard motor, assuming no one has replaced the intake. The standard 7.4L has the flat truck manifold on it and the MAG has the high-rise intake on it.

boatnt 02-04-2011 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me (Post 3315787)
You can quickly tell by the intake manifold if it is a MAG or standard motor, assuming no one has replaced the intake. The standard 7.4L has the flat truck manifold on it and the MAG has the high-rise intake on it.

Yep,thats why I asked him to post pictures.

apollard 02-07-2011 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me (Post 3315787)
You can quickly tell by the intake manifold if it is a MAG or standard motor, assuming no one has replaced the intake. The standard 7.4L has the flat truck manifold on it and the MAG has the high-rise intake on it.

Actually, the "Performance Tuned" 7.4 carb motors had the alum high rise from the mag on them, but were the 300 hp motors. Done to increase low end/midrange torque in those motors.

Knot 4 Me 02-07-2011 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by apollard (Post 3317954)
Actually, the "Performance Tuned" 7.4 carb motors had the alum high rise from the mag on them, but were the 300 hp motors. Done to increase low end/midrange torque in those motors.

Not sure that was available in '90 though.

apollard 02-07-2011 01:13 PM

I think you're right, started in '93 I think, and short lived. Forgot they were '90 engines.

Knot 4 Me 02-07-2011 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by apollard (Post 3318057)
I think you're right, started in '93 I think, and short lived. Forgot they were '90 engines.

Only available on 7.4/Bravo III's? I can only recall the Performanced Tuned option being tied to a Bravo III. Maybe it was available with a Bravo I as well?

apollard 02-07-2011 02:37 PM

Don't know. I've met one other person with one, and his was a B I. He was not the original owner, but thought it was all original. Could have been an engine swap. The manual says very little about them, just a small amount of info in the Tech manauls.

Edit: Went back and looked at a Powerboat article from August 1993 on the 257 Legend. It says the PT engine is a combo with the B III, not available otherwise. So obviously a swap out above.


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