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Anyone have a 38 PQ with 496 HO Mags, if so, what speed are you getting? Props, setup, etc. Friend is considering a 2002, fully loaded, A/C, etc.

Thanks in advance.

GF

not me but if I remember correctly, it is a 71-73 mph set up. The 500's are a better way to go but add more money. The 2002 has the better hull design.

Good luck.

I'd agree with HP500. As a reference the 34 loaded with every option does 78-80 on 496HO's and has even been known to get 81-83 with the right prop set-up. Therefore the added weight of 1000 pounds puts it 71-73+ mark.

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What is different with the 2002 hull design?

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I have a 2002 38 Avenger with the 496 Mags and run 28p 4 blade props. My boat doesn't have air but we usually run heavy because of overnight's. The top speed on my 38 is 71 miles an hour on the gps.

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32fever - Different compared to what year?

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hp500efi said th 2002 has a better hull design? What does that mean? I didn' t realize there was a change.

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Interesting, when I bought my last boat in 2000, I ran a 34 viper with twin 502s. At the time I owned a 27 PQ. There was no gas in it because we ran out when I was out with the salesman. 4 of us in the boat. Ran it on LOTO, hot August day, LOTO is 660 ft above sea level. Ran 68 on GPS. Maybe it just needed some tweaking in the setup.

Those are some strong HOs in that boat if it is running 80+.

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Like Mentalpause I also drove a 34 with 502 but I was able to get 71 on GPS on the Illinois river back in late fall of 2001. I own a 99 38 with 525sc's 4 blade 30 pitch props and 12" boxes, the best I have been able to get is 74.9 on GPS. I do load the boat up since we stay on it almost every weekend though. I am hoping to get it to 80 but will see.


Mentalpause when is the new ride do in? If I dont see before I'm sure I will see you down at the St Louis show.

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Hi Rich. Are you all winterized? I am going through withdrawals since being boatless since Labor day. You know me, I always found a way to boat each month through the winter. New boat is doing well. Go here for pics. Still hoping to be done mid summer. The plan is to go with 525s but wondering when Merc is releasing their new engine between the 525s and 1075s. I may consider something else if it makes sense. I will be at the Miami show this year too.

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Metalpause I am surprise that you are not getting more out of your 525sc as I also have a 99 38 avenger with 500efi"s running 30 inch lab finish props and I am getting 82mph on the gps. I have a tattletale speedometer so if anyone wants to see I am more then willing to take a picture and post it. I had my hull rework back in 2001 and had 3 feet of the back St rake taken off. This let the boat settle down in the water more and give it a better ride. It starts to chime walk above 80 when we get in rough water which I do not like but with running a pad bottom this is expect. If it was a true V like a Cig or Beak nose boat then it wouldn't happen.
I am bumping up to the Rev limiters now so I got pair of 32's sitting in the garage that I am going to try this spring.I really want to change the motors again and put a pair of 525s in so we can get over 85 then I will be happy to leave it alone. You know the old saying there is always someone that is going to go faster then you are but I like leaning the pack coming out of the party cove on Lake Cumberland. Talk to you later

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Rich, I think this was meant for you. Maybe those SCs are ready for a rebuild :eek: :eek:
That would give you a nice winter project. And a place for me to come visit to have a cold one during the cold weather. :D :D

By the way, I just read in the new hotboat tonite that Merc is going to unveil their new engines at the Miami boat show, maybe even the LA show in Jan. That will give me something new to think about.

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Hey John boat looks good can't wait until I get to see it in person. It makes it nice that you will get to find out what merc has in mind before making a engine choice, maybe you can talk them into letting you be a test boat for them. :D Well I got lucky this year and found a heated shop so I do not have to winterize it. It is sitting right next to Scott's Cig. I think that starting this January we are going garage boating and maybe even have a cocktail or two. Is Miami's show the same weekend as St Louis? I know it has been in the past.

Wildman1 I talked to PQ about a month ago and they were telling me about the bottom work. I will probably have to get it done to get the speeds that I am looking for. If you don't mind me asking about how much am I looking at for this? Do you have boxes and if so how big are they? I have some photos of my boat running and the water line is about 15 to 18 inches in front of the first step (from the front) do you know where yours runs at. they also said I should look at the x dim. and see just where it is at the boxes may be hurting me more then they are helping. Does anyone else out there have boxes on a PQ? and if so what do you think? They also said that I might want to reprop but I cant test until March or so.

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John no rebuild, no rebuild, no rebuild, I am hoping to build a new house this year not two motors. You can always stop in for a cold one the boats atr sitting in Mahomet.

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Hey Rich. Let me know sometime when you and maybe Scott will be out there, and Jeff Sheary and I will come by. We will bring the beer.

I didn't know Scott got the cig. What did he get? I assume he will be putting it down on LOTO come this spring. Good thing since the F4 probably won't be done til mid summer. I will be looking to catch a ride with others early this summer.

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Rich, you need to change your profile to allow private messages. I tried to send you one but you don't have that turned on. Let me know when you turn it on.

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I agree with mentalpause that 80 miles a hour is fast for a 34 with HO's in it. I would think that 75 would be more the norm for that boat and power. The Powerquest boat is fast, but at the same time offers much more than most other boats. Lets face it, it is 2005 and not 1975. Cig, and Fountain, join the real world.

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Ya I need to pay the money I just havent done it yet, I will this weekend. Scott and Sara bought a 94 35 Cafe' and he had the motors done to be 515HP ea. It sounds and runs good, but luckaly not faster than mine we run the same at this time. Do you know where there condo is? Sara just hapens to be here talking to Cathy and told me that there slips are c-3 and c-5 she said call them Scott will probably want to get out since she is having a baby in Feb. and may not make it out much next year.

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Rich: No I don't have boxes. PQ rework the hull at no charge because i was having trouble with it. I am runnning all the way out of the water until the second step plus I am runnnig a high X dem. I don't like it that way because it doesn't let you trim out much. I can only trim to about 2 on the trim tads.
Yes i agree with the other fellow you go more in a PQ then the other go fast boats. The biggest plus is the standup John for the girls. Seems my boat is always the portable bathroom for the ladies.
The boat origanlly came with 502 415hp and only ran 68mph put Stainless Marine headers on it the first winter got it up to 72 mph. Next winter spend $14000 dollars and put pro-chargers on it and it became a rocket. That create more problems in it I started blowing drives everyother week. I got tried of changing them and rebuilding them so the winter of 2002 brought the 500efi's. Nothing like having a turn key piece of equipment. I am amaze at how fast my boat really is with stock motors.
I still long for having a true Cigarette boat just the line of that boat my be really want to buy one. I was very cost the winter of 2002 at the Maimi boat show but brought a townhouse in Cape Coral for the wife instead. She said it was her turn for getting something as i am always buying myself toys. You have to give in every once in a while. So now I am looking for a lift close to the house down there so I can take it down this winter with us. I rented a pea-shooter last year(anything under 30 ft) and took to much water over the bow. I told the girls your be glad to get back into the big boy when we get home. that about it. Wildman1 aka Blondes Preferred

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They are fast! And fun!! We had three in the club at one time...all doing 80. Mine is the slowest of the three....I needed well labbed props to get there. I have since gone back to stock Bravos to get my cruise speeds back. With gas prices the way they are I could care less about 2 - 4 mph at WOT, which I spend about 1% of my seat time doing. Heck, I spend more time STANDING in the head than I do firewalling the sticks! :eek:

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I'll validate what Macklin stated. Three late model 340's with 496HO's and they were every bit of 78-80 gps. One of the three (Vyper340) did get over the 80 mark once or twice in the right conditions, and if I'm not mistaken, BillR popped it once with labbed set of either Hydro's or Bravo i forget which.

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What do you mean 'were'?

Actually BillR used to regulary kill the 80 gps speedo (spring and fall air) with the merc labbed 30's that got me to 80 the one time I ran them.

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You have mail. let me know when you and Scott want to meet in Mahomet. I may or may not be going down to the lake next weekend. I have plans tomorrow but am around Sunday.

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Sounds like if you want to go 80 mph without spending an arm or leg you stick with a vyper and if you want to camp you go with an avenger. By the way Macklin, I was over to look at your boat probably 5 years ago at Toledo Bay. At the time it was out of my price range and I bought 34 without the step up at Anchor Bay. Now I bought my new 38 from Colony Marine just north of there. It's a 2002 and have been very happy with it.

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I do not want to start an argument, but with all said, a lot of this has to do with where you boat. I boat in hot humid LOTO weather, 660 feet above sea level and not good conditions for speed runs. Same thing for PWRQWST. In my experience of owning several boats (8) we are talking apples and oranges if some are quoting numbers in better conditions, like in sea water. My current boat sees a 5mph difference in performance between the two.

So 80 mph in one location may translate to 75 in another. Either way, if we are attaining it on stock Merc power we are doing OK. And regardless, we are all having more fun than if we weren't boating.

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Not sure what you mean. 5 years ago I was looking to replace my Baja 232 that burned up in the Boatel fire???

Mentalpause, no argument here. Salt water is faster...no doubt.

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Thats it I'm going to go to salt water, just once so I can say my boat ran 80 :D :D

John was out of town all weekend probably will not make it to the shop now until January. :(
To much going on now until the first of the year. I will let you know though.

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OK. By the way, the Miami boat show is the weekend before the St Louis show. They moved St Louis back later in Feb this year. I am taking a week off, going to the Miami show, then coming back and stopping by St Louis on Th on the way down to LOTO. I will then spend the rest of the weekend at the lake. Probably go the the Chicago show too.

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Can someone please elaborate on the comment "The 2002 has the better hull design". We are looking for a 38-42' performance boat and the PQ seems like a good value but this comment is a bit troublesome. Would like to know what the changes were and how they affect the boats ride/speed/efficiency.

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I think you are refering to my 38 PQ? At Toledo Beach, right? I had a few lookers, where were you from? I think I remember a guy that bought a 34 instead. Congrats on new boat. Jim

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I know they took out a hook and put in a rocker in 2000. That is the only change I'm aware of but Ive been out of the PQ loop for a couple yrs. Made it handle better and few mph faster w/ more bow lift.

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Raypanic once wrote:

The last 30 - 36" of the strake was removed and the hooks in the pad were turned into rocker. This is what the factory did to the early hulls. In my talks to other hull blue printers They say I also have hooks in both steps too that are sucking the bow back down. I have had quotes from 5K to 12K to fix it right.

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Yes that's right. I was from Green Bay and I remember all the go fast boats in the warehouse. I think their was a brand new 38 right next to yours also. If I'm right you were working for yourself in consruction, homes I think. Your boat was very nice but could not afford it at the time. I think you had just had your bottom taken care of. P.S. Around here the boats always run the fastest in the cold water of spring. Because I picked my boat up in August and ran 71 in early Sept. I would expect to get probably 73 out of it in May. My local dealer has a 2004 barely used, less than 20 hours on it for sale also. It has 525's in it I think.

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Thats right, I ended up letting it go for 93.5k w/ new manning trailer! Last I saw of it he had it for sale for119k and it must of sold cause I havent seen it in a long while. He was from W. Mi. so you might see it. Best I saw was 71mph after they fixed it, but the water had to be completely flat to get there??? Add a 1' chop and you slowed to 68-69mph. You will be happy, I still think they are one of the best built boats today.

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jmackin, now that you have had a 380 and a top gun, what are some of the differences? why are you selling the top gun? Does the 380 handle confused water pretty good or does the hull get tossed around alot?

Tks

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Cant really compare the two, totally different boats. One was stepped and the other not. PQ actually feels like a bigger boat even though it is 2' shorter. My PQ didnt like confused seas, couldnt get bow out of water, newer ones should be better at that. Following and head on it crushed the waves better than my cig w/ no tabs. I probably burn almost twice as much fuel at cruise in my cig. Someday would like to ride in a newer PQ to compare. If you need the amenities then PQ is the way to go and you get 99% of the performance and a solid boat.

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The only problem with my old non step 34 was in following seas it was tail heavy and would come down hard in the rear. The new 38 flys much flatter in all waves and feels like it isn't working as hard. Mileage on the old 34 was fantastic, not as good on the 38 but being that it is new and still very excited about it I'm not helping the boat out any. Still running harder than easier. jmackin I followed your sale on your boat and was amazed that it took so long. It had the right graphics was in excellent shape, weird how some things work out. The only thing that I found out that was really important to us was a windshield. This summer we ran maybe two times without spring jackets on over here and both those days were in september. Without the windshield I might have had to wear winter jackets. So you have a Cig now? How do you like it? Still at Toledo Bay? Only 4 months left to wait and out on the water again for us!

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Time to go, wifes going to shoot me.