Worth the Money
 

Are Herring props worth the extra cost over the Bravo's and Hydromotive's props? I would assume that the Bravo's and Hydro's would have to be Labbed for a fair comparison.

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It depends on what you are looking for from your prop. In my opinion and experience after Key West this year I would only run one propeller and it is not any of the ones you listed above. It is the propellers being CNC'd by Matt and Julie from Throttle UP, they are the best handling and best acceleration props I have ever had on the boat and I have raced all of them.

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Man I gotta agree with Bryan, Throttle up are the ONLY props I use. Matt are Julie are "Hands On" in their business and always willing to talk to you about the different props they have. They have made "The Flying Condo" FLY for the last five years with a National and World Title, not to mention we were inducted into The SBI/APBA/UIM Hall Of Champions using their props. They're a little nuts but worth my time and money. Give them a call, it may be worth it to you too! Regards, Augie

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The new Throttle-UP CNC props are by far the best prop I have ever raced.
I did alot of testing for Mat in the early stage and we spent countless hours testing and then testing again. Without a doubt this is the faster prop I have ever run...I found 2-3 MPH just in props.

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I have to agree with all above. I have been apart of the Throttle up family for about 5 years now and when I first put my team together getting the boat out there became the priority and props were the after-thought. I went with another brand. Needless to say we made it out there, but got crushed everytime. We finally got our act together and ordered a CNC'd 5 blade from TU and finished 3 secs out of first in its debut. From getting lapped to 3 seconds behind is monumental in my eyes and I swear I will never cheat on Matt and Julie again.

The best thing I like is that if for any reason I damage the prop beyond repair(which unfortunatly happens to any propeller) I can have the same exact prop at my doorstep within the week, which saves me on re-dialing in a prop.

Drag, they have worked on Herring, Bravo, and Hydro's for years now and they will put your boat in the right prop for your budget and needs of your vessel even if it isnt one of their CNC'd props. I cant tell you how great their props are though. Its amazing! Great people to do business with.

Plus the "Godfather" told you to call them. Your kind of obligated now. :)

Trent

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Most of the responses are from race boats. Do you think the labbed CNC'ed props from Throttle Up work well on stepped v-hauls? Have their been any tests on boats similiar to mine? I am considering going with shorties and finding the right prop. Thanks.

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Rebel,

Yes we are racers but I run a 29 Fountain Fever(stepped vhull), Frank is in a 30 Extreme(stepped vhull), and Augie in a 38 Scarab. I can remember a time when Augie ran races with his fridge in the boat. These are the same hulls that are availible to everbody. Just because we race, doesnt mean that our boats are all that exotic or different than any pleasure boat out there. Our testimonies are based on as racers we expect nothing but the best in performance and Throttle Up just happens to offer it.

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I am sold after meeting Matt and Julie in K.W. this year for the November races/Worlds. The only thing is that after I returned to work and tried to contact them, I am at a 4 or 5 to one ratio. Four or five calls and e-mails to one returned e-mail. That scares me.

If I need a "replacement" sent, or a change made, how do I get ahold of them reliably. According to Julie, this is the slow season!!! Maybe I need to get to know them. What advice can you offer? Please advise.

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Organized, I don't know why you can't reach them ??? I can get Matt and Julie about 24/7. I have NEVER delt with anyone that is more customer friendly. If we need a prop they make sure we get them no matter what time it is. They have traveled an hour out of their way to bring us props to test. As Frank said , we did nothing to the boat other than change the prop and we picked up 2 to 3 mph !!! They can custom tune your props to find which ones work best, keep the data and if you ever need replacements, just cut another one for you. Throttle Up is the only prop of choice for the open model Extreme F1 race boat or the pleasure model. We have hour after hour testing with props including all the props up at X-Site......Throttle Up performs better than ANY we have run so far. Their knowledge and customer support is second to none !!! Dave

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Lets take in account that these CNC props are still new to the market place. Most of the testing has been done with race boats , and you will see alot more peasure set-up out there very soon. Matt is working as hard and as fast as he can to fill the orders.

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WOW, First I want to thank all of you for sharing your experiences with the guys on OSO! You are all very accomplished racers and I am so very proud to be a part of your teams!

Our NEW CNC props are performing very well on Pleasure Boats , but Frank is right. We released them to the racers first, with only 3 weeks until tghe Worlds. We hoped to bring home some bragging rights and thanks to each and every one of the teams above for bringing home several WORLD titles and a complete podium sweep with each and every propeller we made for the WORLDS! Since then we have focused on the pleasure market and the results have been positive on all accounts...even in the dead of winter! We know it will take time to for word of mouth to get around, when referencing our new CNC props....but it will....nothing better than word of mouth. You cannot buy it, you must earn it!!!!! And each and every team here today fought some very tough battles to attain the titles, the recognition and the respect of there peers and fans! Congrats to all you! Thank you again and I cannot wait to see you all in Hollywood, at the SuperBowl Race!

Julie & Matt

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organizedchaos,

I am so very sorry you have had a difficult time reaching us I want to make sure that you have the correct contact info.

1-727-531-2255 M-F 8-5PM EASTERN TIME ZONE!
email: [email protected]
website: www.throttle-up.com

I will do my very best to take care and help you to achieve your propeller needs and goals!

Regards,
Julie
Throttle Up Propellers

Re: Worth the Money
 

Well, I am now sold on getting a Throttle-Up CNC Prop. I will email you Julie on my application.
Johnny

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may be the ticket for the ZRC

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I'm looking at new props right now. What kind of price are we talking? I've been looking at 25P Mirages 'cause that's what I've found so far that works on my 26' Scarab, but that's with no work done to the prop.

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chaineddown,

The cost of the NEW CNC props is: Introductory Pricing Offer
4B = $1100.00
5B = $1500.00
6B = $1950.00

However, I am not sure of what you need.

What type of power do you have in the Scarab?
What year is the hull?
What drive and gear ratio?
What is your WOT RPM?
What is your WOT MPH?

With a little information I will try to recommend the correct prop for your application.

Julie

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Julie did contact me, and we should be all set.

Thank you Julie!!!

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Just ordered the new CNC props for Julie last week for my ZR. Still waiting for them but can't wait to run them once the weather getting warner. Julie is very helpful and answered all my questions. I am very please with the service I got so far. Thanks

Vu

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Vu,

Thank you again for your order. We have started making them for you. I will call you as soon as they are done!

Julie

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Thank you for supporting Throttle Up, they go above and beyond the call of duty for us racers and their customers. I guaranttee you will be happy with your choice.

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The original question was if Herings are worth the extra cost.

First...Herings are almost impossible to get. Backorders of 6-8 months are very common. The only Herings available are coming out of the racing circuit and most racers realize a set of Herings are good for a VERY limited number of races. So if you’re looking to buy a used set of Herings....buyer beware.

Second...Is (Hering) performance worth the costs? If your willing to take the chance of destroying your outdrives when you throw a blade and have a regular prop replacement program you can expect better performance than you will get from Mercury or Hydromotive propellers. Throttle-Up CNC propellers are equal...and in most cases...better in back to back comparisons with Hering.

Throttle-Up propellers are slightly thicker (I'm talking tens of thousandths’ of an inch) and more durable than the Herings.

Throttle-Up propellers are readily available...and they cut your props to your specifications. Want a staggered set of 6-blades...all you have to do is ask. Delivery time is usually within a few days of placing your order.

How would I know this? We have tested every brand and model propeller available on our 8000 lb boat w/525's and Bravo XR drives. Mercury Bravo I's last about 2-3 hours (thrown blades). Herings throw blades after 80-100 miles. Hydromotives need so much work that by the time you get them lab finished and tweaked, you've spent more than you would with the Throttle-Up props...and they don't perform as well.

Mercury Maximus are just plane 'ol dogs. The weight of the prop destroys acceleration and the quality control from Mercury is so poor you will need to get them worked (even Mercury's "lab finished" props) before you expect them to get to their peak performance....which is even worse than Hydromotive's

Bottom line...

Spend your money on something that works....Throttle-Up CNC Propellers

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Yes, they definetely are!

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:cool: Great thread now I know where to go for props.

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I called Thruttle up late evening expecting to leave a message on their ansering machine and Julie picked up the phone in her car on the way home. Their customer service is the best i have dealt with in the boating world.

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This is what I was looking for. I bought a new boat and I was able to come across a set of Herring 6 Blades. I've known that they are very good prop for the race course, and have learned over the last couple of years they are prone to blade
failure. In the past I've heard of blade failure's on Hydro's also. I will be using the boat a 42 Fountain with 525's and Sportmaster's for pleasure boating and Poker Run's. I will have to wait and see what happens, If they fail or give me trouble I will be calling Throttle-up.

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Ken D,

You thow Bravo 1 blades in 2-3 hours??

Are you using Box Stock or Labbed propellers? If Labbed, who is doing the work? Something strange going on there. Have you had multiple failures? What kind of boat? Have you talked to Mercury?

We have been building and racing Bravo 1 propellers for years with much success. If everybody threw blades on those propellers in 2 hours, they wouldn't have become the best selling stern drive propeller in history. I have to disagree with your statements on the Maximus propellers also. I do agree Labbing them to your specific application can make a world of difference. But we have seen huge performance advances with these propellers at a sustantially lower cost than CNC'd Herings.

Sorry to hear of your misfortune.

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Something 's Wrong, I have never thrown a blade on a Bravo Prop. I have a set of Bravo 1's Labbed at Mercury 9 years ago and have never had a problem. Everything from 500 horse power up to 800 horse power for 3 years.

I hope to get that type of use from these Herrings's that I have, but from the info that I'm recieving I don't think so.

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The Hering props will work well for your application. You may find they last a long time for you.

You really never know how long a prop will last.

I remember the original Spiderman boat. It ran Bravo 1 props and they lost many a race due to throwing a blade. They finally went to the #6 drives and that fixed the problem.

Some boats are easier on props than others. It depends on many factors. Ken D's boat is tough on props, it will toss the blades on a stock Bravo 1 prop in no time. Other boats don't have a problem.

Racers are brutal on their boats. That's why we do so much testing on race boats. If we can build a prop to stand up to a twin engine race boat with 525's it will hold up to pleasure use with twin 750's. It's a great proving ground which puts you up against the best prop manufacturers.

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Couldn't agree with you more on the some boats are harder than others on propellers part. You never know exactly how long a propeller will ultimately last.

But we have been racing custom Lad Finished Bravo 1 propellers for a decade in many different configurations. We Have many world and National championships with Mercury Racing to prove it.

You mention Spiderman. The first year Peter built that Skater V bottom, we worked very closely with Todd Welling to win almost every race that year including championships, and many more races to come. Guess which propellers? Yep, Bravo 1's! Todd liked the props real thin. Too thin. We didn't have rules on thicknesses then. We even made him a special guage for his own measuring usage. That is the the truth to that story.

Knowing the thicknesses you can use then tweaking them by hand in specific configurations can win races. However, all "castings" whether CNC'd or Labbed by hand are at the mercy of the casting itself. Internal flaws are hard to detect till they are found at the surface. Some casting processes are better than others. Mercury, Precision Propeller and other companies have been doing this process for a long time and offer the best castingings in the industry. If you want longer lasting, ulta thin propellers, the bottom line is.........billet material.

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Actually there was a minimum thickness requirement for props in the APBA when the original Spiderman boat was running. Those thicknesses were checked by the APBA LLC staff at races. The minimum thickness standard was provided by Mercury. That same standard has been adopted by the OSS as well.

And yes Todd did prefer Bravo 1 props on that boat and he didn't finish a number of races due to prop failure of the Bravo 1 prop.

I wonder how many spec class boats were running Mercury props this past November? None, I believe. There must be a reason for that.

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Wow, I must of hit a nerve.

Your telling me? Like I said, I was at Merc Racing at the time. I think you guys were just getting on board in the marine industry with Hydromotive then. I was involved with Bob Hetzel and Dennis Cavanaugh in supplying the APBA the proper tools and numbers for the measurements.

Todd had some thinner props we made and had done well with them. The APBA decided it was time to enforce some standards on propeller thickness. That is why I recall Todd having his own measuring stuff. Believe me, it was a real pain when we first started donig that SC thicness curve and then the Bravo drive stuff. It was a pain again last year when the OSS guys decided to enforce it mid season on the Bravo drives. I had calls back and forth with all the OSS tech officials. It made some of the guys running our Bravo and Max and Hydro props pissed. Typical offshore racing though. You have to stay on top of the rule changes. They are going to occur start middle and end of the season (or at least get enforced). I've watched and been involved for many years.

Anyway, we have digressed from the subject.

The question was, are the Herings worth the money? The best advice any professional propeller person can give you is to try as many different propellers as you can. Just because something is more expensive or marketed heavily, it doesn't guarantee the best performance on your rig. We have had props that were so far out of wack that they couldn't be duplicated, and they were the fastest propeller on a guys boat. One particullar instance with Bill Seebold (winningest boat racer of all time) comes to mind.

The fastest prop on the boat is the fastest prop on the boat. Likewise mid range and acceleration. If money is no object, try them all. If quality and value are important, do you homework and test, test, test.

Every propeller manufacturer out there has quality products!

Some of the best advice I ever got from Dennis C. was..... Be careful when you start to claim yourself as the best. That's a lot to live up to.

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Sounds like good advice.

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That's right....2-3 hours on several sets of Bravo I's.

These where bone stock props that we tried to use for our "standard" for testing different setups. Never used these props for anything but a base-line run whenever we made a change in the boat setup. Problem was...we couldn't keep the Bravo's on long enough to keep a consistant standard. Every 2-3 hours...bang...there went another blade or we would find a crack. If we did race a set Bravos, they had to be new, and would last the race, but would usually come back with a crack in one of the blades

Yes, I did talk to Mercury...and Dennis C...several times...no help from them. They where having issues with the Spiderman boat and suggested we go to the #6 drive. That wasn't a option for us. Todd had been throwing blades on Bravo props left and right and needed a new set for every race...he got another boat with #6 drives....that solved his problem.

We had better luck with Herings, but they are hard ot get and we couldn't replace them when they would throw a blade.

When the Maximus prop came out, we where the first team to try them. The Maximus had just been released and X-Site didn't even have them...they had to have a few sets sent in overnight for us to test. Maximus did work...at least they didn't crack or throw blades. But they where SLOW and the quality was awful. We would check each prop and find that nine times out of ten at least two blades on each prop would be different lengths. Stock or lab fininsh, it didn't make any difference...we tried everything we could get our hands on.

We approched our prop program with an open mind...looking for the best combination avaliable...regardless of what everyone else was using. We didn't have any pre-conceved opinions...we just wanted the best setup we could put together.

We ended up running the Maximus props (Lab finished by Throttle-Up) until we tried the Throttle-Up CNC prop. They say there's no 10 mph prop.....well how about a 6 mph prop. That's what we got...right out of the box. Another thing I like about the Throttle-Up prop is that with the CNC process, we can try very minute changes from prop to prop to really dial-in our setup.

So far they have been just like a Timex...take a licking and keep on ticking.

Is there a better prop out there?

Probably...but it hasn't come out of Matt's head and into the CNC machine.....yet.

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wow, 6pmh?? thats big. how many blades on that CNC'd prop that you got that on?

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That's on a 6-blade....cut was designed to give a lot of stern lift and improved acceleration.

Matt put a lot of thought and planning into the design for our particular circumstances.

Thanks to the CNC process, its' one of Throttle-Up's stock cuts now...for boats that need stern lift.

It works!


PS:

That was back to back tests between our best Maximus prop and the Throttle-UP prop.....no boat setup changes...test runs 20 minutes apart on the same water. Results...6mph top end increase...2 second better acceleration (60-90).

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Wow, sounds like a sweet CNC 6 Blade there! My hull could use more stern lift. I have a very high X and could use more bite on the water as well. I have run Chopper, Mach Twister, and Labbed Bravo. Bravo seemed to work the best. I am planning on running Throttle Ups CNC prop soon as new motor is done. The 6 blades would help with stern lift for sure and I believe they would help me bite better when trimmed out. Sounds like Throttle Up has awesome customer services and even a better product. Those are the 2 most important keys for me

Johnny

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Julie,
Just received the props yesterday and they look awesome. Now, just waiting for a nice weekend to test them (hopefully this weeked). Will keep you posted.
Thanks for a terrific service.

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You are quite welcome !

Safe Testing!

Julie