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Originally Posted by Markus
(Post 4920674)
I have owned one Hill propeller. It was a custom 4-blade Hoss-style. You could see the differences between the blades with your own eyes.
Over the years, I have used propellers from Mercury (non-Lab and Lab), OMC, Yamaha, Dewald, Spinelli Brothers, Mazco and many others. Hill is known for inconsistency. If you don't trust me, just Google. mercs props are no different , the variance in the blades are just as bad or maybe worst, the only way you will get them perfect is by labing. as explained on the below video at the 40 second mark |
Originally Posted by Brad Christy
(Post 4920675)
BoatNT,
Following the convo where it leads, with interest toward why I started it.... You've got experience, specifically with the PQ 280... How do the 5 blades do? Ever tried any Hydromotives? Tom @ Hydromotive is suggesting a P5X. Not sure I want to go the 5 blade route, but it's been suggested by a couple people now.... Otherwise... Bow-lifting, transom-lifting or neurtral? Which does the 280 like? Bravo props generally considered which? Thanks. Brad. My understanding the Hydromotives perform better on straight bottom V hulls, For the most part all the older straight bottom Fountains came from the factory with Hydromotives, but once Fountain went to step bottoms they switched to Bravo 1s |
They switched to Bravo props because Reggie owed Mercury and they put the pressure on. Or so I have been told.
Hydromotive has two five blade props. If I remember correctly the X model is bow lifting. Padraig |
Originally Posted by boatnt
(Post 4920742)
not new to boating by any means and I have owned numerous boats and purchased numerous propellers,
mercs props are no different , the variance in the blades are just as bad or maybe worst, the only way you will get them perfect is by labing. I remember a thread in some discussion forum some 20 years ago where Ron Hill described winning a race in his youth with a propeller with varying blades. Ron was no believer in precision. |
Originally Posted by Markus
(Post 4920750)
Again, Hill is less consistent than most, and this is well known, at least among us outboard folks.
I remember a thread in some discussion forum some 20 years ago where Ron Hill described winning a race in his youth with a propeller with varying blades. Ron was no believer in precision. More slip you have less important it is consistency, less slip you have more important it is. CNC clever for 20% slip is an unnecessary investment, but for 5% it is a necessity. For 15+% slip it is probably Signature as good as any super matched prop with same shape. |
Originally Posted by Padraig
(Post 4920744)
They switched to Bravo props because Reggie owed Mercury and they put the pressure on. Or so I have been told.
Padraig he told me to stick with Bravo 1 props, he said the reason they switched to bravos was because of the step bottom and the bravo simply grip the water better |
Originally Posted by Markus
(Post 4920750)
Again, Hill is less consistent than most, and this is well known, at least among us outboard folks.
I remember a thread in some discussion forum some 20 years ago where Ron Hill described winning a race in his youth with a propeller with varying blades. Ron was no believer in precision. Is it possible that chad has a different philosophy? Lol |
Originally Posted by Markus
(Post 4920678)
By the way, there is someone who blue prints Hill propellers. I no longer remember the name, but the result is supposed to be very good.
I have in the past send my props to him, and I can't say I noticed much of a difference after I got them back, but he is supposed to be the outboard prop guru safe to say you won't be ordering Hill marine props anytime soon,LOL |
Originally Posted by boatnt
(Post 4920752)
that's what I thought but apparently not true. About 10 years ago. I caught up with Reggie down to Key West during the races and he was kind enough to have a lengthy conversation with me and that was one of the things that we talked about as i asked his opinion because I was looking for better propellers for my boat because I thought my slip numbers were hi,
he told me to stick with Bravo 1 props, he said the reason they switched to bravos was because of the step bottom and the bravo simply grip the water better Interesting because a lot of the step boats came with Hydromotives, The first time I started seeing Bravo's were on the side by side twin step 35's. They also were spinning out rather than in. Maybe I should try bravo's again but in the past they did seem better in the mid range but pretty much made the boat want to propose and lost 2-3 top end. Mine is a single step. |
Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix
(Post 4920817)
Interesting because a lot of the step boats came with Hydromotives, The first time I started seeing Bravo's were on the side by side twin step 35's. They also were spinning out rather than in.
Maybe I should try bravo's again but in the past they did seem better in the mid range but pretty much made the boat want to propose and lost 2-3 top end. Mine is a single step. |
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