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Jonesyfxr 08-31-2015 10:55 AM

Is a 2 bolt 454 block worth building?
 
I've read and read until I see crossed eyed. I know in a car application a studded 2 bolt block can handle close to 1000 hp but these are short bursts down the track, not going 5000 rpm or more for extended lengths of time like in a boat. I'm having a hard time finding some 4 bolt 454 or 427 blocks. I'm sure they're around but people don't want to give them up. I was thinking about a studded 2 bolt block with main cap girdles. Any thoughts, experiences or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!

BenPerfected 08-31-2015 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by Jonesyfxr (Post 4349436)
I've read and read until I see crossed eyed. I know in a car application a studded 2 bolt block can handle close to 1000 hp but these are short bursts down the track, not going 5000 rpm or more for extended lengths of time like in a boat. I'm having a hard time finding some 4 bolt 454 or 427 blocks. I'm sure they're around but people don't want to give them up. I was thinking about a studded 2 bolt block with main cap girdles. Any thoughts, experiences or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!

In the late 80's Mercury 454 ci 330 HP used a 2-bolt main. The 454 ci 370 HP and 420 HP were 4-bolt. Obviously, Mercury didn't think the 2-bolt was worth the risk. How much will you save with an upgraded 2-bolt vs. a stock 4-bolt? In the scope of the whole project, is it worth the risk?
Ben

Jonesyfxr 08-31-2015 12:55 PM

I'd much rather have a 4 bolt block, but it's a seemingly hard item to locate. Like I stated, I'm sure people have them, but I feel they are saving them for a rainy day.

BenPerfected 08-31-2015 03:07 PM

Might all work out might not, is it cost savings worth the risk?

https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/tV...5f_gallery.JPG

DBleil89 08-31-2015 04:42 PM

I picked up a gen vi out of a 97 dump truck. It was a 4 bolt. N not sure if you want to change to the gen vi or not

Jonesyfxr 08-31-2015 08:45 PM

I'm leaning toward a gen IV because I have intakes and some other parts available to me. But if I should stumble onto some newer blocks I wouldn't pass up a good deal.

Unlimited jd 08-31-2015 09:15 PM

I have a gen 5 .030 over for $200 clean it and it's ready for assembly. Intake mkiv, gen 5 gen 6 all the same

Jonesyfxr 09-01-2015 07:53 AM

Don't I need different heads for a newer block though?

DBleil89 09-01-2015 07:55 AM

I believe you do but only for the gen v. The gen vi they went back to being able to use the same heads.
Again I'm no expert but that's what I read

Jonesyfxr 09-01-2015 08:11 AM

I'll have to do some more research. Thanks for all the input.

mtm 09-01-2015 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by Jonesyfxr (Post 4349436)
I've read and read until I see crossed eyed. I know in a car application a studded 2 bolt block can handle close to 1000 hp but these are short bursts down the track, not going 5000 rpm or more for extended lengths of time like in a boat. I'm having a hard time finding some 4 bolt 454 or 427 blocks. I'm sure they're around but people don't want to give them up. I was thinking about a studded 2 bolt block with main cap girdles. Any thoughts, experiences or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!

options
bbc 4 blot blocks and 2 bolt blocks are the same you could either buy after market main caps or gm 4bolt caps and have the block line bored and taped .
i have a gen5 454 block also $350

Jonesyfxr 09-01-2015 08:37 AM

Thanks for all the help guys. I will let you know my decision shortly.

GLENAMY 242SS 09-01-2015 09:05 AM

How much stronger is the 2 bolt with good ARP bolt set?

Unlimited jd 09-01-2015 12:01 PM

Mkiv heads go right on use the gen 5/6 head gasket. Gen 6 is the same As a gen 5, just with a roller cam

Jonesyfxr 09-01-2015 01:14 PM

Ok thanks guys!!

gofastboater 09-01-2015 09:54 PM

The only difference between the 2 bolt and 4 bolt blocks is the main caps and the steel crank instead of a cast crank. I ALWAYS get 2 bolt blocks and put 4 bolt main caps on. My machine shop drills and fits the 4 bolt caps then align bores for the crank. Never had one come apart even using stock bolts. Besides 2 bolt blocks most people think are junk and will almost give them away.

seaman 09-02-2015 04:16 PM

I run a 450hp 2 bolt mark iv in my boat and never had a issue.

Jonesyfxr 09-02-2015 05:28 PM

Did you use ARP bolts or studs? How big is your boat?

Thanks

phragle 09-02-2015 05:51 PM

here you go... Gen 6's are all 4 bolt blocks and rollers......

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...ocks-sale.html

GLENAMY 242SS 09-02-2015 07:47 PM

Seaman, what did you do to it to get 450hp, please.

Drew555 09-02-2015 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by GLENAMY 242SS (Post 4349918)
How much stronger is the 2 bolt with good ARP bolt set?

Studs are stronger. Maybe not as strong as 4 bolt but it's closer

seaman 09-02-2015 07:57 PM

I have a 24ft Carrera ss7m the motor is 30 over with 9.5 to 1 comp hydrolic roller cam and lifters edlebrock air gap intake holley 750 carb and I used the stock cast crank,rods, and main cap bolts

Drew555 09-02-2015 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by seaman (Post 4350550)
I run a 450hp 2 bolt mark iv in my boat and never had a issue.

I have a 2 bolt studed 383 450 hp turning 6000rpm's no issues

airjunky 09-05-2015 07:02 AM

I have been looking around here for a 454 gen 5 or 6 mag core or builder ,real hard to find. If you come across a 454 mag with a cracked block cheap, grab it for the forged rotating assy if nothing else , then go find a tired truck tbi motor and build a contender on the cheap. Once the gen 4 castings dried up and merc fliped over to the current truck based bbc line 4 bolt was the flavor. But mostly with cast rotating assy and pistons that were destined for peanut ports.if you stay with gen 4 for your pans heads ect, a 2 bolt with forged crank is plenty durable for most apps also.


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