I've been boating with my father since I was in diapers, and have a pretty good grasp on most general things. However, I don't know too much about offshore boats, and mfg particulars. Looking for a boat built between '95 and '02. I'll be using it in the ocean and at the river/lake. As much as I like speed, its not my first priority. It would be nice to be in the 80+ range, but not necessary. Amenities and reliability are more important. 60 +/- cruise speed would be nice.

My 1st pick is a 38' Cigarette Top Gun. I love the lines of the boat, and the layout of the cabin. Of course, they seem to go for a pretty penny.

Others are Donzi and Formula, maybe Baja. Baja seems to be cheaper that others- is there a relationship with quality?

What are your suggestions between these boats? Any years where there are significant changes that make older boats worth excluding (hull, etc)? So far it seems that 500 EFIs are great motors, and should move most boats pretty well. What about 525/575 SCs? Relaible? Some boats are making big power 650-800hp blown.. should I just stay away from those? Obviously it "depends" but in general, what hp is still reliable? Any engines that I should just avoid?


I'm looking to spend between 100-150K. Dont mind spending extra for a clean boat with the right things done to it.

Thanks in advance

should we call you "lucky trick" now

Sounds like you just described a Formula 382 to a tee.

I saw that one - not crazy about the graphics but its a very nice boat.

Also - what is silent choice exhaust? Is that when you can open/close the muffler?

Hey Fred can change the grafics. He's done it before.

Take your time looking. There is a lot availible in that price range. Get a marine survey before your purchase to make sure the boat is at good as it looks. It will be money well spent.

Good luck

38 ft ? For your first boat ?? Sweeeeeeettttttttt!!!!!

Fred's boat is very nice, if it's not to your liking look at some of the Hustlers in the classified section. They seem to be priced just a little bit under the Cigs with same power and year. Personally my next choice will be Cig but I will take a good look around at other boats before I make up my mind.

My next boat will be a TG. I'll probably PO a lot of Fountain and Formula owners, but I don't think anything compares with a Cigarette for looks and recognition factor.

Yea, 38 is probably bigger than most 1st boats.. but ive grown up with a 22, 28, 36, and now my old man has a 50. If I can handle those, figure it shouldnt be too tough getting used to a 38. Granted, his were all cabin cruisers.

Looks like I should be solid with Cig or Formula. I dont like the windshield look as much but again, form over function or v.v.

So what advice can you guys give me when it comes to engines, etc or my other questions?

all i can say if ya can afford a gun go for it. all of us that own them cann't talk bad about them, thir the chit if ya go with an older onr ya will need big power to move them but it's a ride that compare to no other

donz jr mike