does any body know if you have to remove the engine to replace the starter on the s port engine. all info would be helpf full. thanks.

Nope, just be real small.

My undedrstanding is that it can be done.....but it ain't easy. Might be less drama to pull the motor. I did both staters and anything else hard to reach down there while they were out just in case. If you're a contortionist (or lucky enough to date one who also happens to be handy with a wrench) have at it...let us know how it goes.

If you pull the exhaust off, the inner manifolds/headers of both motors it would probably make it easier to do also.