Fiberglass patch and stress cracks
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Over the winter I am renovating my 2600 AO to include filling in some old rigging holes. I have read just about all the internet has to offer around patching holes and filling in gelcoat cracks, only to find there is always 10 ways to skin a cat. I'd like to ask the experts here (ahem...GlassDave) on what their perferred method is and why.
Fiberglass patch:
I have some holes left over from vents and other old rigging that I plan on replacing/moving that I have access to the back of. The two main methods I read up on are pretty much the same, with the exception of which side it is done from. Grind out an area around the hole with about a 1:12 ratio of the thickness of the patch, layout patches, largest first building up until desired thickness using subsequently smaller patches. My question is: Is it better to be done from the inside, using a backer on the outside to enure that the surface is flat once the patch has cured. Or reverse, grinding and patching from the outside with a backer on the inside? I question the first method as I would think it could crack around the edges easier this way.
Here is a picture of one of the vent holes I will be filling.

Gelcoat cracks:
I have a few spots over the deck that has slight cracking in the gelcoat. I have planned on just dremmeling these out using a small bit to v-groove them and fill with thickened vinylester. Any reason I should handle these differently and if so how.
Cracks:

Fiberglass patch:
I have some holes left over from vents and other old rigging that I plan on replacing/moving that I have access to the back of. The two main methods I read up on are pretty much the same, with the exception of which side it is done from. Grind out an area around the hole with about a 1:12 ratio of the thickness of the patch, layout patches, largest first building up until desired thickness using subsequently smaller patches. My question is: Is it better to be done from the inside, using a backer on the outside to enure that the surface is flat once the patch has cured. Or reverse, grinding and patching from the outside with a backer on the inside? I question the first method as I would think it could crack around the edges easier this way.
Here is a picture of one of the vent holes I will be filling.

Gelcoat cracks:
I have a few spots over the deck that has slight cracking in the gelcoat. I have planned on just dremmeling these out using a small bit to v-groove them and fill with thickened vinylester. Any reason I should handle these differently and if so how.
Cracks:

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JBrock,
I'm sure Dave will have the best solution to both of your repair questions, but to the first, I just did a simular repair to my mag dash (filled in a 5" X 8" cutout where radio was)
Like yours in the picture the back was acessable so I worked from the inside. Scarfed 12:1 around the inside edge - taped a piece of 1/2" plywd flat to the outside surface
with a plastic sheet for a smooth form..then from the inside, I brushed a liberal amount vinylester resin (to the smooth side of ply with plastic sheet) then with precut patches of 1708
I started to fill in starting with small to large until thickness was achieved..........next day, (from the outside) I grinded all the edges where the new and old fiberglass did meet.
this created a nice depression to be filled in with a polyester filler...........the whole surface then was skimmed over a few times and sanded ...........I primed and painted to finish.
I'm sure Dave will have the best solution to both of your repair questions, but to the first, I just did a simular repair to my mag dash (filled in a 5" X 8" cutout where radio was)
Like yours in the picture the back was acessable so I worked from the inside. Scarfed 12:1 around the inside edge - taped a piece of 1/2" plywd flat to the outside surface
with a plastic sheet for a smooth form..then from the inside, I brushed a liberal amount vinylester resin (to the smooth side of ply with plastic sheet) then with precut patches of 1708
I started to fill in starting with small to large until thickness was achieved..........next day, (from the outside) I grinded all the edges where the new and old fiberglass did meet.
this created a nice depression to be filled in with a polyester filler...........the whole surface then was skimmed over a few times and sanded ...........I primed and painted to finish.
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JBrock,
I'm sure Dave will have the best solution to both of your repair questions, but to the first, I just did a simular repair to my mag dash (filled in a 5" X 8" cutout where radio was)
Like yours in the picture the back was acessable so I worked from the inside. Scarfed 12:1 around the inside edge - taped a piece of 1/2" plywd flat to the outside surface
with a plastic sheet for a smooth form..then from the inside, I brushed a liberal amount vinylester resin (to the smooth side of ply with plastic sheet) then with precut patches of 1708
I started to fill in starting with small to large until thickness was achieved..........next day, (from the outside) I grinded all the edges where the new and old fiberglass did meet.
this created a nice depression to be filled in with a polyester filler...........the whole surface then was skimmed over a few times and sanded ...........I primed and painted to finish.
I'm sure Dave will have the best solution to both of your repair questions, but to the first, I just did a simular repair to my mag dash (filled in a 5" X 8" cutout where radio was)
Like yours in the picture the back was acessable so I worked from the inside. Scarfed 12:1 around the inside edge - taped a piece of 1/2" plywd flat to the outside surface
with a plastic sheet for a smooth form..then from the inside, I brushed a liberal amount vinylester resin (to the smooth side of ply with plastic sheet) then with precut patches of 1708
I started to fill in starting with small to large until thickness was achieved..........next day, (from the outside) I grinded all the edges where the new and old fiberglass did meet.
this created a nice depression to be filled in with a polyester filler...........the whole surface then was skimmed over a few times and sanded ...........I primed and painted to finish.
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the vent holes would probably be best off if you cut out that piece separating them and do it as one big rectangle hole. For that i would scuff the inside well with 36 and put a layer or two in there and let it cure giving you a stable back drop for the repair. After it sets up you can scarf the outside edge down for the surface laminate. Grind back a few inches making sure to knife edge the old perimeter of that hole, you want the scarf to come to a point right where the old hole was. Looks like your on the right track. The stress cracks your gonna just hafta grind away, try to group them if possible. I usually scarf them back and put a layer or two of mat on to help restore the surface and after it faired cap it with waxed gel for final surface fairing.
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08 OPA High Points Champion
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