OSO veterans - go fast handling/control
11-19-2014 | 05:32 AM
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OSO veterans - go fast handling/control
this is mainly directed at mild thunder ICEDPPL and the other veterans around here..
how about an overall basic covering of basic go fast boat handling dynamics?
faster in rougher water? trimming?? start down to get on the plane smooth water??
Obviously its all going to be different depending on the boat and conditions but thats kinda the point of this thread some don't change and there seems to be some confusion on here!
how about an overall basic covering of basic go fast boat handling dynamics?
faster in rougher water? trimming?? start down to get on the plane smooth water??
Obviously its all going to be different depending on the boat and conditions but thats kinda the point of this thread some don't change and there seems to be some confusion on here!
11-19-2014 | 11:43 AM
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this is mainly directed at mild thunder ICEDPPL and the other veterans around here..
how about an overall basic covering of basic go fast boat handling dynamics?
faster in rougher water? trimming?? start down to get on the plane smooth water??
Obviously its all going to be different depending on the boat and conditions but thats kinda the point of this thread some don't change and there seems to be some confusion on here!
how about an overall basic covering of basic go fast boat handling dynamics?
faster in rougher water? trimming?? start down to get on the plane smooth water??
Obviously its all going to be different depending on the boat and conditions but thats kinda the point of this thread some don't change and there seems to be some confusion on here!
11-19-2014 | 05:48 PM
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^^^ true story, I`m by far an expert but i am flattered 
I bought my first boat in 2009, before that I was on the swim team and had a jet ski lol
I think I did learn quickly thou, and experimented till failure, my first boat I blew up some drives!
Lake Michigan will do that to you, there`s no slow learning curve. Penisfliesby is the person you wanna talk to, hes been in some water I only have nightmares about and knows how to drive thru that crap, he did pretty awesome in his last 31'boat.
But since you asked I`ll give you my experiences which mostly vary by boat as far as driving.
25' active thunder on the great lakes..hated it , no matter what I tried pounded the crap out of my liver.
33Baja; Cadillac , first time I drove it had a smile on my face for a week , handled everything well , got up on plane in no time with hardly any tab..didn`t like to much trim or too much tab. Just relax and go . Kinda miss that ride. handled bigger water well.
38' Cig; In flat water it`s like driving a school bus, get some chop and air under her and its a totally different boat.. now it`s like a sports car, how good it planes is 90% prop, needs a little tab to get on plane. Feels lighter spinning out, its a skinny, heavy boat and cuts thru waves like butter but then again its 5' longer than my last boat so that alone should be a better ride. Sometimes I think oh crap thats a big boy wave and then.. not much happens, just eats it up.
The faster you got the better the ride the less trim and tab it needs.
Loves small craft advisories... well spaced even waves coming at ya.. probably the most fun Ive had on a boat. Going in and out of that stuff even the kids have a blast... drives level and a little tab is all she needs.
Takes a **** load of power to run anything above 80mph.
She takes every cent I make.
Like I said I don`t know $hit
Would love to take a Tres class one day if she ever leaves a dollar in my wallet.
I bought my first boat in 2009, before that I was on the swim team and had a jet ski lol
I think I did learn quickly thou, and experimented till failure, my first boat I blew up some drives!
Lake Michigan will do that to you, there`s no slow learning curve. Penisfliesby is the person you wanna talk to, hes been in some water I only have nightmares about and knows how to drive thru that crap, he did pretty awesome in his last 31'boat.
But since you asked I`ll give you my experiences which mostly vary by boat as far as driving.
25' active thunder on the great lakes..hated it , no matter what I tried pounded the crap out of my liver.
33Baja; Cadillac , first time I drove it had a smile on my face for a week , handled everything well , got up on plane in no time with hardly any tab..didn`t like to much trim or too much tab. Just relax and go . Kinda miss that ride. handled bigger water well.
38' Cig; In flat water it`s like driving a school bus, get some chop and air under her and its a totally different boat.. now it`s like a sports car, how good it planes is 90% prop, needs a little tab to get on plane. Feels lighter spinning out, its a skinny, heavy boat and cuts thru waves like butter but then again its 5' longer than my last boat so that alone should be a better ride. Sometimes I think oh crap thats a big boy wave and then.. not much happens, just eats it up.
The faster you got the better the ride the less trim and tab it needs.
Loves small craft advisories... well spaced even waves coming at ya.. probably the most fun Ive had on a boat. Going in and out of that stuff even the kids have a blast... drives level and a little tab is all she needs.
Takes a **** load of power to run anything above 80mph.
She takes every cent I make.
Like I said I don`t know $hit
Would love to take a Tres class one day if she ever leaves a dollar in my wallet.
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11-19-2014 | 06:29 PM
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ok...
1. trim drive down and get on plane
2 trim up till prop starts losing bite then bump trim down a hair.
3. push throttle forward untill it stops moving.
4. If the ride suddenly becomes smooth, you are in the air. Pull throttle back apox. 1/8 of tottal throw.
5. When you feel a thud, the boat is now back in the water and you can safely push throttle forward again.
6. If boat is spending a considerable amount of time with a bow elevation of greater than 45 degrees and/or your beverage keeps spilling, trim down a hair.
1. trim drive down and get on plane
2 trim up till prop starts losing bite then bump trim down a hair.
3. push throttle forward untill it stops moving.
4. If the ride suddenly becomes smooth, you are in the air. Pull throttle back apox. 1/8 of tottal throw.
5. When you feel a thud, the boat is now back in the water and you can safely push throttle forward again.
6. If boat is spending a considerable amount of time with a bow elevation of greater than 45 degrees and/or your beverage keeps spilling, trim down a hair.
11-19-2014 | 06:32 PM
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^^^ true story, I`m by far an expert but i am flattered
I bought my first boat in 2009, before that I was on the swim team and had a jet ski lol
I think I did learn quickly thou, and experimented till failure, my first boat I blew up some drives!
Lake Michigan will do that to you, there`s no slow learning curve. Penisfliesby is the person you wanna talk to, hes been in some water I only have nightmares about and knows how to drive thru that crap, he did pretty awesome in his last 31'boat.
But since you asked I`ll give you my experiences which mostly vary by boat as far as driving.
25' active thunder on the great lakes..hated it , no matter what I tried pounded the crap out of my liver.
33Baja; Cadillac , first time I drove it had a smile on my face for a week , handled everything well , got up on plane in no time with hardly any tab..didn`t like to much trim or too much tab. Just relax and go . Kinda miss that ride. handled bigger water well.
38' Cig; In flat water it`s like driving a school bus, get some chop and air under her and its a totally different boat.. now it`s like a sports car, how good it planes is 90% prop, needs a little tab to get on plane. Feels lighter spinning out, its a skinny, heavy boat and cuts thru waves like butter but then again its 5' longer than my last boat so that alone should be a better ride. Sometimes I think oh crap thats a big boy wave and then.. not much happens, just eats it up.
The faster you got the better the ride the less trim and tab it needs.
Loves small craft advisories... well spaced even waves coming at ya.. probably the most fun Ive had on a boat. Going in and out of that stuff even the kids have a blast... drives level and a little tab is all she needs.
Takes a **** load of power to run anything above 80mph.
She takes every cent I make.
Like I said I don`t know $hit
Would love to take a Tres class one day if she ever leaves a dollar in my wallet.
I bought my first boat in 2009, before that I was on the swim team and had a jet ski lol
I think I did learn quickly thou, and experimented till failure, my first boat I blew up some drives!
Lake Michigan will do that to you, there`s no slow learning curve. Penisfliesby is the person you wanna talk to, hes been in some water I only have nightmares about and knows how to drive thru that crap, he did pretty awesome in his last 31'boat.
But since you asked I`ll give you my experiences which mostly vary by boat as far as driving.
25' active thunder on the great lakes..hated it , no matter what I tried pounded the crap out of my liver.
33Baja; Cadillac , first time I drove it had a smile on my face for a week , handled everything well , got up on plane in no time with hardly any tab..didn`t like to much trim or too much tab. Just relax and go . Kinda miss that ride. handled bigger water well.
38' Cig; In flat water it`s like driving a school bus, get some chop and air under her and its a totally different boat.. now it`s like a sports car, how good it planes is 90% prop, needs a little tab to get on plane. Feels lighter spinning out, its a skinny, heavy boat and cuts thru waves like butter but then again its 5' longer than my last boat so that alone should be a better ride. Sometimes I think oh crap thats a big boy wave and then.. not much happens, just eats it up.
The faster you got the better the ride the less trim and tab it needs.
Loves small craft advisories... well spaced even waves coming at ya.. probably the most fun Ive had on a boat. Going in and out of that stuff even the kids have a blast... drives level and a little tab is all she needs.
Takes a **** load of power to run anything above 80mph.
She takes every cent I make.
Like I said I don`t know $hit
Would love to take a Tres class one day if she ever leaves a dollar in my wallet.
Not sure about ^ his boating skills but, can build one hell of a fire.
11-19-2014 | 06:39 PM
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Drives tucked, tabs down works on most big old heavy boats for planing.
Some tab in head seas helps keep the nose flying straight and not pointed towards the moon off waves. Be careful with too much tab in following seas, easy to get into trouble and stuff.
Its a good practice to mark your tab and drive indicators, to where they are level with the bottom, just for reference.
Props turning "IN", aids bow lift, turning "out" aid's stern lift. Lots of guys seem to get that confused.
Deep X dimension, generally works better with less blades, and less diameter. High X dimension, generally works better with more blades, more diameter.
Do not tuck the drives and drop the tabs, and make sharp turns.
Don't think because your boat has a certain brand name, you can go out and run it like a 47 Apache Raceboat in 6ft'ers.
Don't over throttle the boat. Too many guys get into rough water, and jockey the throttles like they are trying to rub one out. The goal is to maintain the engine RPM when the props leave the water. Jamming those throttles from wot to idle like a light switch, is not saving your drives.
As for docking, I suck. I used to be good at docking when I had a boat with mild engines and TRS drives with baby props turning out. Radical blower engines, ssm drives with big cleaver props turning in, yea, I suck. 5 seasons with this setup and I still cant back in a slip worth a dam. Sometimes I look like an expert, most times I look like a complete jackazz.
As for high speed running in big water, I generally keep my crew dry and safe, drives/trannys in one piece, bow above water.
After a friend got tossed from his boat this year, wearing the lanyard is #1 on my priority list now.
Some tab in head seas helps keep the nose flying straight and not pointed towards the moon off waves. Be careful with too much tab in following seas, easy to get into trouble and stuff.
Its a good practice to mark your tab and drive indicators, to where they are level with the bottom, just for reference.
Props turning "IN", aids bow lift, turning "out" aid's stern lift. Lots of guys seem to get that confused.
Deep X dimension, generally works better with less blades, and less diameter. High X dimension, generally works better with more blades, more diameter.
Do not tuck the drives and drop the tabs, and make sharp turns.
Don't think because your boat has a certain brand name, you can go out and run it like a 47 Apache Raceboat in 6ft'ers.
Don't over throttle the boat. Too many guys get into rough water, and jockey the throttles like they are trying to rub one out. The goal is to maintain the engine RPM when the props leave the water. Jamming those throttles from wot to idle like a light switch, is not saving your drives.
As for docking, I suck. I used to be good at docking when I had a boat with mild engines and TRS drives with baby props turning out. Radical blower engines, ssm drives with big cleaver props turning in, yea, I suck. 5 seasons with this setup and I still cant back in a slip worth a dam. Sometimes I look like an expert, most times I look like a complete jackazz.
As for high speed running in big water, I generally keep my crew dry and safe, drives/trannys in one piece, bow above water.
After a friend got tossed from his boat this year, wearing the lanyard is #1 on my priority list now.
11-19-2014 | 07:00 PM
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[QUOTE=MILD THUNDER;4222031
As for docking, I suck. I used to be good at docking when I had a boat with mild engines and TRS drives with baby props turning out. Radical blower engines, ssm drives with big cleaver props turning in, yea, I suck. 5 seasons with this setup and I still cant back in a slip worth a dam. Sometimes I look like an expert, most times I look like a complete jackazz. .[/QUOTE]
When your docking make sure you trim it up some or most of the water hits the transom in reverse not sure if that's was your problem. Especially on high x dimensions.
Happened on day on my apache looked like the jackazz your talking about. Took me awhile to realize what the problem was.
As for docking, I suck. I used to be good at docking when I had a boat with mild engines and TRS drives with baby props turning out. Radical blower engines, ssm drives with big cleaver props turning in, yea, I suck. 5 seasons with this setup and I still cant back in a slip worth a dam. Sometimes I look like an expert, most times I look like a complete jackazz. .[/QUOTE]
When your docking make sure you trim it up some or most of the water hits the transom in reverse not sure if that's was your problem. Especially on high x dimensions.
Happened on day on my apache looked like the jackazz your talking about. Took me awhile to realize what the problem was.
11-19-2014 | 07:03 PM
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ok...
1. trim drive down and get on plane
2 trim up till prop starts losing bite then bump trim down a hair.
3. push throttle forward untill it stops moving.
4. If the ride suddenly becomes smooth, you are in the air. Pull throttle back apox. 1/8 of tottal throw.
5. When you feel a thud, the boat is now back in the water and you can safely push throttle forward again.
6. If boat is spending a considerable amount of time with a bow elevation of greater than 45 degrees and/or your beverage keeps spilling, trim down a hair.
1. trim drive down and get on plane
2 trim up till prop starts losing bite then bump trim down a hair.
3. push throttle forward untill it stops moving.
4. If the ride suddenly becomes smooth, you are in the air. Pull throttle back apox. 1/8 of tottal throw.
5. When you feel a thud, the boat is now back in the water and you can safely push throttle forward again.
6. If boat is spending a considerable amount of time with a bow elevation of greater than 45 degrees and/or your beverage keeps spilling, trim down a hair.
