540 Clearances and oil pressure thread...
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As I am building a set of 540's I have a question even though its basically covered from past engines with no issues...
way back when I knew zero about BBC and boat engines, I have 454's in Baja with bigger clearances and only 55psi oil pressure, wiped mains out 3 times before I realized it was my pressure issues with clearances not the filters, fitting, and type of bearings like most here said.... I set them up the last time with new uncut cranks, 1-4 mains were .0030 and the #5 main was .0035 if I remember right, rods I think were .0020 or so, I do not have my note sheets anymore, sold them with engines but thats what I think it was, had 75 PSI oil pressure with a Melling HV HP pomp with shimmed spring, never had a bearing issue again, no temp issues... NOTHING, many WOT runs at 5000 rpm
So, in my 540's I am figuring the same, but also wonder about cam gear issues, I never had before but I plan to spin these at 6000 rpm, will I want that high pressure with a larger clearance?
what do the ENGINE BUILDER guys do? clearance and pressures...I wanna see if I am on track with how I plan to build and run these clearances and pressure, I normally set them up as my buddy recommends and he has a perfect BBC 800hp track record, I just want opinions from guys that build marine engines, not car and not what they read...
way back when I knew zero about BBC and boat engines, I have 454's in Baja with bigger clearances and only 55psi oil pressure, wiped mains out 3 times before I realized it was my pressure issues with clearances not the filters, fitting, and type of bearings like most here said.... I set them up the last time with new uncut cranks, 1-4 mains were .0030 and the #5 main was .0035 if I remember right, rods I think were .0020 or so, I do not have my note sheets anymore, sold them with engines but thats what I think it was, had 75 PSI oil pressure with a Melling HV HP pomp with shimmed spring, never had a bearing issue again, no temp issues... NOTHING, many WOT runs at 5000 rpm
So, in my 540's I am figuring the same, but also wonder about cam gear issues, I never had before but I plan to spin these at 6000 rpm, will I want that high pressure with a larger clearance?
what do the ENGINE BUILDER guys do? clearance and pressures...I wanna see if I am on track with how I plan to build and run these clearances and pressure, I normally set them up as my buddy recommends and he has a perfect BBC 800hp track record, I just want opinions from guys that build marine engines, not car and not what they read...
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I ran .0025 rods .003 mains with hv pump over 90psi with billet cam and melonized gear and grenaded the gear. This was with a out of the box msd distributor and marine specific big money gear. Previously I ran an msd distributor with slip colar set depth little lower with 0 issues/ wear on gear but the slip collar slipped distributor turned ended in a big boom. That's why I changed over to the standard distributor. After all that we machined a little off the fixed collar on the distributor put on a bronze gear (that's all I could get my hands on at the time) and ran it. Upon disassembly the bronze gear was perfect. Had the gear been melonized I think it would have had the same results. Gear mesh is absolutely critical with a Hv pump in my opinion. I think a standard pump is a little more forgiving. I'll just put this out there because I didn't know this but stumbled across it in my research/ travels. They actually do make distributor gears in different diameters. Something like this +.005, + .010, +.015 I was told that the little bit of extra diameter can make a big difference. Hope my experience might help you out so you don't have to get towed in like me...
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I ran .0025 rods .003 mains with hv pump over 90psi with billet cam and melonized gear and grenaded the gear. This was with a out of the box msd distributor and marine specific big money gear. Previously I ran an msd distributor with slip colar set depth little lower with 0 issues/ wear on gear but the slip collar slipped distributor turned ended in a big boom. That's why I changed over to the standard distributor. After all that we machined a little off the fixed collar on the distributor put on a bronze gear (that's all I could get my hands on at the time) and ran it. Upon disassembly the bronze gear was perfect. Had the gear been melonized I think it would have had the same results. Gear mesh is absolutely critical with a Hv pump in my opinion. I think a standard pump is a little more forgiving. I'll just put this out there because I didn't know this but stumbled across it in my research/ travels. They actually do make distributor gears in different diameters. Something like this +.005, + .010, +.015 I was told that the little bit of extra diameter can make a big difference. Hope my experience might help you out so you don't have to get towed in like me...
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.0028-.0032 on mains, leaving the rear thrust a little on the high end
.0024-.0028 on the rods coated clevite bearings
M77 hv pump 70-75 psi cold. Never had issues like this. Big blower motors a little different but 454, 502, 540 like the above
.0024-.0028 on the rods coated clevite bearings
M77 hv pump 70-75 psi cold. Never had issues like this. Big blower motors a little different but 454, 502, 540 like the above
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Seems to be what I was looking at, like I said I think my rod numbers were off lol



