The fold over cleats any good or are they flimsy. Just wanna make sure when folded in the up position there is a spring loaded cam or something to help assist they stay in the up position. Same for down. ?? I was going to order pull up but then remembered these.

Tks

Not so convinced I like the looks as well however no drain lines to mess with.

Good for fenders and such but I wouldn't tie my boat up with them.

why not look into the pop up cleats that cp perf has.we tie boats off w/ them all the time.comes w/ a drain kit,hose not included.come in different sizes.for fenders,I use mushroom cleats.

I like the pull up flush cleats from Accon Marine. No drain cup needed and can either run a drank hose if needed or plug it.

Padraig

http://shop.acconmarine.com/products...ing-cleat.aspx.

Bill/Sutphen 30, your PM box is full...I tried sending you a PM.