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Old 06-08-2018 | 04:52 AM
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a friend asked me what I guess the potential horsepower could be on the new 300R 4.6L V8 outboard motor.

I said there's no guessing, we can calculate the potential horsepower

currently the 400R motor generates 400HP from a supercharged 2.6L engine block

We first need to get the multiplier to determine the HP / Liter (in other words, what is the horsepower per liter)

That formula is

2.6 * M = 400 HP


calculating for M, we get

M = 400 / 2.6

M = 153.846

or in words, MercuryRacing is capable of building 153 horsepower for every supercharged liter of powerhead

so what is the 300R potential for producing maximum supercharged horsepower?

let's calculate again


4.6 * M = X where X is the maximum supercharged horsepower we can squeeze out of the 4.6L powerplant

we already calculated the M (multiplier) that 153, or 153.846 to be exact

thus

4.6 * 153.846 = 707 horsepower

in words it means, if we apply the same supercharging know how of MercuryMarine to their new 4.6L platform, we have a potential horsepower maximum capacity of 707 horsepower

let's detune that a little to make a race engine with 0 warranty of say 650 HP

detune that again to add warranty and we're down to a motor between 550HP and 650 HP

so thats the answer, the 300R when supercharged has the potential to develop 550~650 HP






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Old 06-08-2018 | 06:02 AM
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I want to know if the lowers will be able to handle the power at 500+.
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Given the logical calculation above, why can't that be extended to an inboard power plant? They're both V8 four stroke engines......That would mean my little old 8.1 could be developed to well over 1,200 hp.
If it's not realistic then why do we have bigger inboard engines? Why can't the outboard engine be adapted to inboard/sterndrive application.

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Old 06-08-2018 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by bulletbob
I want to know if the lowers will be able to handle the power at 500+.
Propshafts on the Sporty gearcases have already had some breakage, so my guess is “no” on handling the hypothetical power increase.
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Given the logical calculation above, why can't that be extended to an inboard power plant? They're both V8 four stroke engines......That would mean my little old 8.1 could be developed to well over 1,200 hp.
If it's not realistic then why do we have bigger inboard engines? Why can't the outboard engine be adapted to inboard/sterndrive application.

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It can if its a clean slate design like the outboards. Don't forget the turbo motors start at 1100 HP.

Mercury is still using very old car based designs for most of the line. Ski boat power plant manufactures at least go with somewhat newer designs to start with.

You can get this 550HP motor with a 5 year warranty,,,,,,,,,,,, couple of these in a 28-30 sport boat with a outdrive that wouldn't blow apart would be a nice little package. And if you have been around ski/wake boats those things get beat and are loaded down big time.

xs-550 ? PCM Engines

But the new 4.6L OB do raise the bar in what could be without a doubt.

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The lowers look strangely similar to Bravos. Do they use bravo gears?
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Old 06-08-2018 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix
It can if its a clean slate design like the outboards. Don't forget the turbo motors start at 1100 HP.

Mercury is still using very old car based designs for most of the line. Ski boat power plant manufactures at least go with somewhat newer designs to start with.

You can get this 550HP motor with a 5 year warranty,,,,,,,,,,,, couple of these in a 28-30 sport boat with a outdrive that would blow apart wouldn't be a nice little package. And if you have been around ski/wake boats those things get beat and are loaded down big time.

xs-550 ? PCM Engines

But the new 4.6L OB do raise the bar in what could be without a doubt.
Yeah, I guess you're right about squeezing power out of the old dinosaur car engines but it takes a bit of work.
Might be time for someone to take a pair of Verados, lie them down in an engine bay and hook up Bravos. No need to stagger, the inline 6 would work and it's gotta be a big weight saving.

That little PCM engine looks sweet but it's still a fair way short of 150hp/liter.

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And then there's the Turbo factor..... 4.6=580 if using 1100 figures.... 870ish with 1650 #'s. Would like to see merc develop an inboard exhausting turbo setup for this 60 degree V8. I think the bottom line is they don't have to make huge power if they can keep the weight down. Can you imagine a couple tiny snails nestled in the valley of those V8's making way more torque at a few hundred pounds less than a 7 marine.
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The million dollar question.
When are they upgrading the lowers to 5 inch gears?
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Old 06-10-2018 | 09:03 AM
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The current V8’s do not have any plans for supercharging for the near future. Currently, the Verado I6 block is being redesigned to be a full cast block, without liners, which will increase displacement, growth in HP, and decrease weight. Im currently selling Mercury new cutting tools for the production of this evolved platform. The I6 is just so bulletproof and successful that Merc will keep this platform for the long term. Stay tuned.
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