Newcomer In The Market For Used - Some Thoughts I Have Gathered
11-01-2018 | 10:05 PM
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Newcomer In The Market For Used - Some Thoughts I Have Gathered
Hello all, I'm HerdOfTurtles and my user name is born from growing up sailing in the Gulfport/MS gulf coast area.
In my 30's now(age), got a place with a 30' long boathouse on the water and I think I want to fill it with a go-fast boat. So, I've been doing a whole lot of research over the past couple months into what boat I think I'm after.
Here are some thoughts:
1. Range. I want a boat I can cruise in at about 45 mph. I'd like to do the Tickfaw 200 which is in my backyard and it looks like 150 miles the first day. For that, approaching 4 hrs at speed is about the limit of my endurance these days. Also, getting to clear(er) water at Cat/Ship Island at 50-60 miles away it makes sense to me to go fast getting there and back. So I have arbitrarily chosen a 45 mph cruise as my goal.
2. Shush. While I want to go fast, I have to also acknowledge a large percent of my time on the boat is going to be around my neighborhood canals. It's 18 minutes of no wake through canals to the lake before I can open up and there's a couple late night bars on the canals worth visiting so I really need a silent exhaust option, not to mention bringing babies/toddlers for short rides occasionally.
3. Upholstery. It seems there's many boats that claim "nice vinyl" or whatever but really it's very tired vinyl that happens to not have any cracks and no matter how much scrubbing you do it will never actually feel nice. Yeah, the 10 ft away picture looks great, but actually sitting in it feels mealy. No one seems to have agglomerated what it actually costs to have the "typical" vinyl redone. Best I can figure through searching is maybe $5k to redo a full cockpit but I could never really figure out a cost/quality anything from searching. It also seems to be a total crap shoot whether or not you have a place in your area can do any reasonable work.
4. Engine. It seems to me a 502 is what I need, and when I want more gogo juice, I need to build up the 502 I have over a winter. Outboards are... antithecal to my being. Not sure that's a word but if you're sacrificing the entire transom of your boat for a bit more reliability, yuck. Yeah, full swim platform is a must.
5. I figure while I'm at it I may as well invest $1500 into an air conditioner and install it myself for the occasional overnighter. Nope, won't ever be practical, but I do like the idea of being able to either hook up to shore power and spend a night or hit a dead calm anchorage and put a silent honda 2000 on the swim platform and sleep in the AC.
6. 70's, 80's, 90's boats are worth almost nothing to me. They were built to look good and sell asap, not to last.
All said, leaning towards a Velocity 280 for the time being.
Bring on the discussion!
In my 30's now(age), got a place with a 30' long boathouse on the water and I think I want to fill it with a go-fast boat. So, I've been doing a whole lot of research over the past couple months into what boat I think I'm after.
Here are some thoughts:
1. Range. I want a boat I can cruise in at about 45 mph. I'd like to do the Tickfaw 200 which is in my backyard and it looks like 150 miles the first day. For that, approaching 4 hrs at speed is about the limit of my endurance these days. Also, getting to clear(er) water at Cat/Ship Island at 50-60 miles away it makes sense to me to go fast getting there and back. So I have arbitrarily chosen a 45 mph cruise as my goal.
2. Shush. While I want to go fast, I have to also acknowledge a large percent of my time on the boat is going to be around my neighborhood canals. It's 18 minutes of no wake through canals to the lake before I can open up and there's a couple late night bars on the canals worth visiting so I really need a silent exhaust option, not to mention bringing babies/toddlers for short rides occasionally.
3. Upholstery. It seems there's many boats that claim "nice vinyl" or whatever but really it's very tired vinyl that happens to not have any cracks and no matter how much scrubbing you do it will never actually feel nice. Yeah, the 10 ft away picture looks great, but actually sitting in it feels mealy. No one seems to have agglomerated what it actually costs to have the "typical" vinyl redone. Best I can figure through searching is maybe $5k to redo a full cockpit but I could never really figure out a cost/quality anything from searching. It also seems to be a total crap shoot whether or not you have a place in your area can do any reasonable work.
4. Engine. It seems to me a 502 is what I need, and when I want more gogo juice, I need to build up the 502 I have over a winter. Outboards are... antithecal to my being. Not sure that's a word but if you're sacrificing the entire transom of your boat for a bit more reliability, yuck. Yeah, full swim platform is a must.
5. I figure while I'm at it I may as well invest $1500 into an air conditioner and install it myself for the occasional overnighter. Nope, won't ever be practical, but I do like the idea of being able to either hook up to shore power and spend a night or hit a dead calm anchorage and put a silent honda 2000 on the swim platform and sleep in the AC.
6. 70's, 80's, 90's boats are worth almost nothing to me. They were built to look good and sell asap, not to last.
All said, leaning towards a Velocity 280 for the time being.
Bring on the discussion!
11-02-2018 | 08:44 AM
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Antithecal is not a word, I think you're looking for 'antithetical' which works in your context.
Pushing the boundaries of interpretation with "agglomerated", something like 'allowed for' or 'factored in' might work better.
Now that I've put my dictionary down for the night, your approximate budget is all important.
Depending on what silent exhaust system you have, they're far from silent. I have a Captain's call system on a single 496 and it diverts the majority of exhaust and water through the drive but still has some flow and associated noise through the transom. It's not like a standard through prop only setup.
Youll get plenty of good responses here (much better than my one) so hang tight. BTW, the Jim Darr reference is an ongoing thing, a troll from years ago but like herpes, he's never quite gone.
RR
Pushing the boundaries of interpretation with "agglomerated", something like 'allowed for' or 'factored in' might work better.
Now that I've put my dictionary down for the night, your approximate budget is all important.
Depending on what silent exhaust system you have, they're far from silent. I have a Captain's call system on a single 496 and it diverts the majority of exhaust and water through the drive but still has some flow and associated noise through the transom. It's not like a standard through prop only setup.
Youll get plenty of good responses here (much better than my one) so hang tight. BTW, the Jim Darr reference is an ongoing thing, a troll from years ago but like herpes, he's never quite gone.
RR
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11-02-2018 | 10:31 AM
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Budget is the missing info here.
For your type of boating, especially if kids on board, twins would be a must. Its not that you have to make the 50 mile trip home on 1 engine, but at least you are in still in control if you lose one. 292 Formula with 6.2's would be a great comfortable setup with plenty of speed.
For your type of boating, especially if kids on board, twins would be a must. Its not that you have to make the 50 mile trip home on 1 engine, but at least you are in still in control if you lose one. 292 Formula with 6.2's would be a great comfortable setup with plenty of speed.
11-02-2018 | 11:15 AM
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Budget probably about $30k.
Not sure of the capacity of the boat lift either, had a boat lift guy come take a look and he said he'd be concerned with anything over 7,000 lbs. The configuration of the lift appears to match a common 8,500 lb configuration. There are no meaningful nameplates to identify the capacity, and I believe the capacity is likely limited by the beams of the boathouse anyway. The lifting straps are currently 12 ft apart.
Wasn't really thinking I'd go with twins because it might make me hate the boat. Twice the noise, twice the maintenance... A set of SBCs sounds romantic and probably reasonably cheap to maintain. Maybe 350hp each NA and reliable driving a Bravo 1 the drive should last. But yeah, twice the bellows to replace, twice the manifolds and risers to replace... hmm. And twice the *****ing while you're doing all that maintenance cause you got no room to work.
The formulas DO appear to be well made... only thing is I don't think I can meet my speed goals(and maintain reliability) with them because they're so heavy.
For the silent exhaust... it seems there's different versions of the captain's call with some that totally divert and some that don't? Some have a switch and some are always a partial diverter? Anyway it's very obnoxious there is no audio/video of these systems demonstrating their effectiveness. "Buy this exhaust it's super duper!" "Does it work though?" "Um, yeah, just buy it and bolt it on, trust me". I guess if it's still too loud I can add those donkey dick turndowns.
Can't really camp on them, but I must say I really do like the mid cabin open bow configuration. The Advantage 27 and nordic rage 25 MCOBs look great. The shockwave tremor 25 looks a bit cheaper made.
Not sure of the capacity of the boat lift either, had a boat lift guy come take a look and he said he'd be concerned with anything over 7,000 lbs. The configuration of the lift appears to match a common 8,500 lb configuration. There are no meaningful nameplates to identify the capacity, and I believe the capacity is likely limited by the beams of the boathouse anyway. The lifting straps are currently 12 ft apart.
Wasn't really thinking I'd go with twins because it might make me hate the boat. Twice the noise, twice the maintenance... A set of SBCs sounds romantic and probably reasonably cheap to maintain. Maybe 350hp each NA and reliable driving a Bravo 1 the drive should last. But yeah, twice the bellows to replace, twice the manifolds and risers to replace... hmm. And twice the *****ing while you're doing all that maintenance cause you got no room to work.
The formulas DO appear to be well made... only thing is I don't think I can meet my speed goals(and maintain reliability) with them because they're so heavy.
For the silent exhaust... it seems there's different versions of the captain's call with some that totally divert and some that don't? Some have a switch and some are always a partial diverter? Anyway it's very obnoxious there is no audio/video of these systems demonstrating their effectiveness. "Buy this exhaust it's super duper!" "Does it work though?" "Um, yeah, just buy it and bolt it on, trust me". I guess if it's still too loud I can add those donkey dick turndowns.
Can't really camp on them, but I must say I really do like the mid cabin open bow configuration. The Advantage 27 and nordic rage 25 MCOBs look great. The shockwave tremor 25 looks a bit cheaper made.
11-02-2018 | 12:00 PM
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Not 100% sure but it looks like Corsa quick and quiet plus is the system that directs everything through the drive.
Corsa Exhaust systems quick and queit comparisons
I have Captains Call which is switchable but you wouldn't sneak up to a restaurant and not be heard.
You did say 30', is that overall length or can your platform/drive stick out beyond that? If your thinking single engine, there's always a few Baja 25's advertised. A lot of boat for the money, also simple to operate and maintain.
Enjoy the shopping!
RR
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Corsa Exhaust systems quick and queit comparisons
I have Captains Call which is switchable but you wouldn't sneak up to a restaurant and not be heard.
You did say 30', is that overall length or can your platform/drive stick out beyond that? If your thinking single engine, there's always a few Baja 25's advertised. A lot of boat for the money, also simple to operate and maintain.
Enjoy the shopping!
RR
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