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Old 07-19-2021 | 08:24 AM
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Hello everyone, I have some questions as I am doing my homework before diving into a rebuild on my 502 Magnum. I have been around boats for many years but never performance boats just your typical small block cruiser, this is my first with a big block and thru hull exhaust so I want to learn the do's and don'ts of this world.


I have a 1996 Baja 252 with a Mercruiser 502 Mag in it, I have a feeling it is in need of a freshen up as I did an oil change and maybe 3hrs of run time is wasnt as clean as i would have liked to see after a oil change plus I love giving myself headaches lolol.


I have built a few car engines, ford mod motors and Chevy LS making tons of power with turbos and good success but never a performance boat engine so I have no clue what are good specs for this.


With that being said, what CID can I bring the 502 out too, I see 509's 525's and 540's not I am not looking to stop the world with power nor am I trying to break any speed records as I know my hull design is limited anyway. If I could get a reliable (I know performance and reliability are not best friends) 500hp I am perfectly good with that and I have no intentions of ever adding boost, as the boat is on a small lake and crazy speed is not necessary.


Sorry for the rant but here are my questions:

1. CID? Im thinking a 509 or maybe a 525

2. Compression

3. cylinder head, stay cast iron like an iron eagle or go aluminum (boat is in only fresh water but is seawater cooled)

4. Cam profile, I want avoid reversion even if it leaves power on the table ( need to keep my captains call and I have EMI Thunder manifolds on the boat already)

5. Tuning the ECU, I really don't want to play the email game with flash tunes, I know in the world of tuning turbo cars the dyno is the only way to do this


I'm sure I am leaving things out, I just want to go with a proven platform that plenty of guys on here have figured out. I have a new Bravo1 drive on the boat so I should be good there to withstand 5-550hp
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Old 07-19-2021 | 03:16 PM
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There's a lot of information that can be found here by doing a Google search with "offshoreonly" at the end of the search string. Covered here many times. Searching and reading will give you a lot of information.

With that said, how many hours on the engine? If it's running well, it may be best to leave it be. When you say it has dirty oil, what do you mean? Is this a carbureted or fuel injected setup?
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Old 07-19-2021 | 03:36 PM
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I'd suggest looking into the oil system as well. Some say the oil system for the 415 HP 502 MAG is adequate at best.

I decided to go with a Mercury Racing HP 500 engine VS. building my 502 MAG EFI to 500 hp.

If you compare the 2, they both use a lot of the same components, but the HP 500 oil system is much beefier. Bigger oil cooler, thermostat controlled, and bigger oil hoses.
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Is it a 502mpi ?
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Old 07-26-2021 | 10:47 AM
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It is a fuel injected 502 Magnum, the oil just was a lot darker than I would assume with about 2hrs of run time on it max since I changed it. I do not know the exact hours on the motor, it is not original to the boat either, Im sure it was run HARD. I've done some search's but nothing specific has come up on a detailed build that's why I asked.

I was also thinking is it worth it to ditch the stock MPI and put something like Holley EFI on it to make it more tunable?

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Old 07-27-2021 | 01:57 AM
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Dark oil might just mean you need a good flush job.
Before you pull the motor out, do a compression AND leak down test (both with motor warm). Those will help you know where you are starting.
500hp on the MPI setup is about max for it, but you can get there without ditching it..
​​​If you WANT to ditch it, then you need to decide if you plan to boat at different elevations. Doing so requires altitude compensation, and EFI gives you that. If not, it is hard to beat a carb for bang/buck.
Edelbrock closed chamber aluminum heads (good bang/buck) zero-deck the block to give you .040" squish clearance with whatever gaskets you're after, and a cam with similar specs to the 500EFI cam with faster ramps will get you to your target.
Well, I mean it will once you upgrade your exhaust manifolds. Lightning headers are good bang/buck.
509 is a 30 over 502.
Anything bigger than that requires a stroker kit (crank/rods/pistons). If you go that direction, 540 is the best stopping point. But a 540 will not play well with your Bravo drive due to the additional torque your drive will have to put up with.

All comes down to your goals, your budget, the condition of your current shortblock, and how fresh your outdrive is.
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Old 07-28-2021 | 11:43 AM
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Thanks for the info, since it is a forged rotating assembly from the factory I see no reason to replace it. Now with that being said is it worth while to evwn punch it out to a 509, how much power will 7cid provide so unless the bore condition requires it I think id prefer a hone job and pistons to get my compression up to say 9.5:1 I rather leave the meat in the cylinder walls if possible.

The drive is fairly new, it was replaced brand new in 2014 and well from the previous owner only has 100 hours or less on it.

I am not looking to break any speed records, I know its a heavy boat, I just want to have a little more grunt and sound the part too, the low compression just sounds like a tow truck without a muffler! It currently has EMI Thunder aluminum manifolds and risers on it I would like to keep as I don't want to drop 6-8K on headers, I think that's INSANE!
The boat pretty much stays in one spot so elevation wont change, I am familiar with Holley and Megasquirt in the turbo LS world of cars but never played with it in a boat. I am most curious on wideband placement for tuning and function of the stand alone system.

My boat only fresh water so would i be ok with aluminums, I have seen a lot of back and forth on this topic so I was thinking of getting a set of Iron eagles for it but I would love to knock some more weight off with aluminum heads if possible.
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Old 07-28-2021 | 02:09 PM
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JE makes a set of replacement pistons for a 502 that are a couple of thousandths bigger if it needs more than just a quickie hone. The heads aren't very good for making power. I would deck the block and put on some decent heads with a good cam and call it a day. There are improvements to be made to the intake manifold as well. There are a couple of good threads on here about it. I would also put a bigger oil cooler on it with bigger lines. 1/2npt fittings and -10 lines.
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Old 07-28-2021 | 02:53 PM
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Do the suggested compression and leak-down tests. If they're satisfactory, I'd leave it alone. Trust me... tearing into them leaves a nice $10k+ hole in your pocket. If you're keeping the injection, it may be worthwhile to pick up a Rinda TechMate so that you can look a the running parameters and work with the engine properly for future diagnosis, etc. The tool will also give you an approximation of hours of operation.

These engines can run well past 1k hours. That's a lot of boating time. If it hasn't ingested water via exhaust leaks and has been properly stored in the off-season, there's no reason to mess with it.

If you do rebuild, follow the suggestions already posted. Replace the rods with aftermarket (you get better rods for just a small increase in price over reconditioning the stock 7/16 "dot" rods). The MPI manifold is the major roadblock to making power. A Sniper would kick its ass and for not a lot of money.
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Old 07-28-2021 | 03:26 PM
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The 525 you speak of is probably the Mercury 525 ? which is a HP rating its 502 displacement, like the 600/700, Id figure out how much you want to spend then double it and see what that gets ya
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