How much power/torque and heat can an Alpha one gen 1 _really_ take?
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Yeah, I know, it's a “how long is a piece of string” question, but... if we break it down to the essentials... Oh and I have tried searching but I found it hard to find any concrete answers. Perhaps I searched poorly, forgive me in that case...
Anyway: I have an Alpha One GEN 1 equipped boat that I want to repower. No budget for upgrading to a bravo in the forseeable future, sadly. It is what it is. (Engine will have to be a used one as well)
So what are your opinions on this:
-What will kill the Alpha One if you install a motor that is too powerful? Is it more heat in the “upper gear” or is it pure torque, or a combination of both?
-Does anyone know what the approximate limits are for “waste power”/heat and torque, if you take it relatively easy and don't jump or do anything similar with the boat?
-I've heard a rule of thumb that up to “400 hp” can work, but I'm not sure if that's true, and under what circumstances. Comments?
-I've also heard that GEN 2 drives are stronger?
-Other information I have heard is that there are “heavy duty” drive sets for them, which may have been installed when they were combined with big blocks from the factory. Is this true and, if so, what difference does it make?
-Retrofitted drive shower against the heat, does it help at all, a little or perhaps almost completely?
Thanks in advance to those of you who have information! Of course, I am sure there are a lot of "good-to-know" stuff as well, and if you think there is something like that I would benefit in knowing, please add it as well if you want.
Thanks in advance.
/Bo
Anyway: I have an Alpha One GEN 1 equipped boat that I want to repower. No budget for upgrading to a bravo in the forseeable future, sadly. It is what it is. (Engine will have to be a used one as well)
So what are your opinions on this:
-What will kill the Alpha One if you install a motor that is too powerful? Is it more heat in the “upper gear” or is it pure torque, or a combination of both?
-Does anyone know what the approximate limits are for “waste power”/heat and torque, if you take it relatively easy and don't jump or do anything similar with the boat?
-I've heard a rule of thumb that up to “400 hp” can work, but I'm not sure if that's true, and under what circumstances. Comments?
-I've also heard that GEN 2 drives are stronger?
-Other information I have heard is that there are “heavy duty” drive sets for them, which may have been installed when they were combined with big blocks from the factory. Is this true and, if so, what difference does it make?
-Retrofitted drive shower against the heat, does it help at all, a little or perhaps almost completely?
Thanks in advance to those of you who have information! Of course, I am sure there are a lot of "good-to-know" stuff as well, and if you think there is something like that I would benefit in knowing, please add it as well if you want.
Thanks in advance.
/Bo
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Will depend on how heavy the boat is also. Are you going SBC or BBC?? I would say 400hp is about max with a SBC. BBC has a lot more torque in lower rpms so be very easy out of the hole.
The other option is a SEI drive with 3 year no fault warranty. Sterndrive Engineering: MERCRUISER® STERNDRIVE APPLICATIONS Never heard of any HD or stronger gears for Alphas.
The other option is a SEI drive with 3 year no fault warranty. Sterndrive Engineering: MERCRUISER® STERNDRIVE APPLICATIONS Never heard of any HD or stronger gears for Alphas.
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As Griff mentioned, hull weiggt and "resistance to thrust" is a large factor.
If you turn a lower pitch prop faster, you put less strain on the gearing, and put the peak rpm up higher.
Heat is a large factor, but you can't stop the high heat at the gear mesh from high loads. Just reduce the mean temps of the parts and fluid.
If you put 400hp to an Alpha Drive for 95% of its life...it wouldn't last too long. Cruising at a reasonable power/speed with the occasional speed burst...likely last a while.
If you turn a lower pitch prop faster, you put less strain on the gearing, and put the peak rpm up higher.
Heat is a large factor, but you can't stop the high heat at the gear mesh from high loads. Just reduce the mean temps of the parts and fluid.
If you put 400hp to an Alpha Drive for 95% of its life...it wouldn't last too long. Cruising at a reasonable power/speed with the occasional speed burst...likely last a while.
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Two experiences I've had with Alphas are,
1) Wellcraft Nova XL, came stock with a 350 mag, dad swapped it for a mild built 454 and blew multiple Alphas
2) Stingray 275 with twin built 383's at least 425hp each, Alphas lasted at least 10 years
I feel like the big block torque is the main issue.
What's the boat? What power was in it? You say "used engine" will you find one running and throw it in or modify it?
1) Wellcraft Nova XL, came stock with a 350 mag, dad swapped it for a mild built 454 and blew multiple Alphas
2) Stingray 275 with twin built 383's at least 425hp each, Alphas lasted at least 10 years
I feel like the big block torque is the main issue.
What's the boat? What power was in it? You say "used engine" will you find one running and throw it in or modify it?
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It's all in the driver. You can make parts last if your good.3000lb boat, 428 sbc, 640+ hp. 6500 rpm. 1.5 gear, 25 pitch.All on a alpha ss, lasted over 10 seasons.
Multiple years on a standard alpha sbc 400-500 hp combinations, lived through all that
Heat? Your in the world's largest radiator, a well designed shower will take care of that issue.
Don't even get me started on the multiple bbc/alpha combos around me still alive till this day.
Build it and run it like the neighborhood side chick.
Multiple years on a standard alpha sbc 400-500 hp combinations, lived through all that
Heat? Your in the world's largest radiator, a well designed shower will take care of that issue.
Don't even get me started on the multiple bbc/alpha combos around me still alive till this day.
Build it and run it like the neighborhood side chick.
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It's all in the driver. You can make parts last if your good.3000lb boat, 428 sbc, 640+ hp. 6500 rpm. 1.5 gear, 25 pitch.All on a alpha ss, lasted over 10 seasons.
Multiple years on a standard alpha sbc 400-500 hp combinations, lived through all that
Heat? Your in the world's largest radiator, a well designed shower will take care of that issue.
Don't even get me started on the multiple bbc/alpha combos around me still alive till this day.
Build it and run it like the neighborhood side chick.
Multiple years on a standard alpha sbc 400-500 hp combinations, lived through all that
Heat? Your in the world's largest radiator, a well designed shower will take care of that issue.
Don't even get me started on the multiple bbc/alpha combos around me still alive till this day.
Build it and run it like the neighborhood side chick.

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keep in mind that mercury only built a short run of 330hp big block/alpha combos. the bravo was born from the failures of the alpha when using the big block. most of the those packages were in things like under 20ft Donzi's and the like so light boats. if mercury thought it was a good idea they would have built the alpha to handle up to 400hp but you can only strengthen some thing so much in a given size case and the alpha had reached the limit. can it be done? sure. should it be done if you want trouble free boating, no. either use a small block or start saving for a bravo.
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Small blocks of many power levels and alphas live together very well. Lighter the boat the better - just like big blocks bravos.
Fyi: They don’t like being dropped in gear at high idle speeds. That can break’m fast. Instantly fast.
The soybean oil additive makes sense in your case. . Heard you really like and use soy for other reasons too. 
Fyi: They don’t like being dropped in gear at high idle speeds. That can break’m fast. Instantly fast.




