Go Back  Offshoreonly.com > Technical > General Q & A
540 Dished or Flat top Pistons? >

540 Dished or Flat top Pistons?

Notices

540 Dished or Flat top Pistons?

Thread Tools
 
Old 05-16-2004 | 05:26 PM
  #1  
Scarab28's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered
25 Year Member
 
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 552
Likes: 7
From: Roch, NY
540 Dished or Flat top Pistons?

Building a 540 blower motor. Are most of you runing dished or flat top pistons.
Leaning toward JE 181990 dished for lower compression (8.4:1).
- Gen VI - 9.8 Deck
- Callies 4.25 crank
- Manley 6.385 rods
- Dart 320 ported heads
- Team G intake
- crane 741 cam
- 5 lbs boost
All suggestions welcome.
Scarab28 is offline  
Reply
Old 05-16-2004 | 07:46 PM
  #2  
Turbojack's Avatar
Registered
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 2,287
Likes: 0
From: Houston, TX, USA
Default Re: 540 Dished or Flat top Pistons?

Dished, 8:1 10lbs of boost. The lower the compressing the more boost &HP you can add before detonation sets in
Turbojack is offline  
Reply
Old 05-16-2004 | 08:39 PM
  #3  
mikes280's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 1,849
Likes: 1
From: charlotte nc.
Default Re: 540 Dished or Flat top Pistons?

dished on a blower motor will make more power not because of the comp. but because of the design of the piston
mikes280 is offline  
Reply
Old 05-16-2004 | 09:05 PM
  #4  
jspeeddemon's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 372
Likes: 0
From: Continental,United States
Default Re: 540 Dished or Flat top Pistons?

I run flat top pistons with my 540 and @13 lbs of boost when everything is right. I have no compalints and motor makes good power N/A.
jspeeddemon is offline  
Reply
Old 05-16-2004 | 09:11 PM
  #5  
mcollinstn's Avatar
Platinum Member
20 Year Member
Platinum Member
 
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 5,769
Likes: 150
From: tn
Default Re: 540 Dished or Flat top Pistons?

a dished piston should not make more power than a flattop piston if the CR is the same on both motors (talking normal BBC combustion chambers).

For a blower motor, though, (especially a roots or screw blower) I say BIG DISH. Generate your dynamic compression with boost.
mcollinstn is offline  
Reply
Old 05-16-2004 | 09:33 PM
  #6  
Comanche3Six's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 9,214
Likes: 5
Default Re: 540 Dished or Flat top Pistons?

Dished is the easiest way. Opening up and ccing the combustion chambers is also possible if you want to use flat top pistons. The drawback is that it is tedious to perform and expensive to have done.
Comanche3Six is offline  
Reply
Old 05-16-2004 | 09:50 PM
  #7  
mcollinstn's Avatar
Platinum Member
20 Year Member
Platinum Member
 
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 5,769
Likes: 150
From: tn
Default Re: 540 Dished or Flat top Pistons?

Easy to cc chambers.

Get a piece of plate glass and drill a 1/8" hole in it with a carbide drill. Get the piece from a glass shop's scrap pile - needs to be about 6x6".

Lay the head upside down on a table and level it with shims and a carpenters level.

Smear some gear oil on the gasket surface around the chamber. Lay the glass on it. The oil should make a seal (you should be able to see the seal thru the glass).

Take a graduated syringe and suck rubbing alcohol into it. Hold it up and tap the air out like the druggys do on TV. Note the amount of alcohol in the syringe. Shoot the alcohol into the hole (I assume you know the spark plug should be in the head). Heep adding until the alcohol comes up and touches the glass. Tap around to get the air bubble out and add enough to get all the air out. Add the amounts you put in. That is your cc. Check each chamber. They shouldn't vary much, else the valve seats are not cut consistently.
mcollinstn is offline  
Reply
Old 05-16-2004 | 10:09 PM
  #8  
Comanche3Six's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 9,214
Likes: 5
Default Re: 540 Dished or Flat top Pistons?

Well, At least we have established that tedious for me and easy for you have equal cc's. LOL!
Comanche3Six is offline  
Reply
Old 05-16-2004 | 10:12 PM
  #9  
mikes280's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 1,849
Likes: 1
From: charlotte nc.
Default Re: 540 Dished or Flat top Pistons?

dish will make more all thing being the same i have tryed it bith ways talk to people at j&e they can tell you on a blower motor you will have better flame travel on a dish less heat on the rings
mikes280 is offline  
Reply
Old 05-17-2004 | 10:51 PM
  #10  
mcollinstn's Avatar
Platinum Member
20 Year Member
Platinum Member
 
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 5,769
Likes: 150
From: tn
Default Re: 540 Dished or Flat top Pistons?

Last time I cruised the pits at the drags, all the Fuelie motors were running flattops. Since they were hemis, I won't propose to draw a correllation..

BUT the winning Blown Alcohol car was running a Chevy/Rodeck/Pontiac. Had flatties in it. I'd think he'd surely be running whatever dome configuration would give him the best power.

I won't disagree with anything that JE says, but "seems" like a dish would kill the squish effect and that would be enough by itself to keep the pressure peak from occuring at normal ignition timing leads. Seems like a dished setup would require more ignition advance to create similar combustion pressure numbers.

Apples to apples, boost psi to boost psi, and degree for degree on the ignition timing, I would venture to say that the flattop motor would make incrementally better power than the dished motor (assuming the static CR was identical on both motors, which would dictate different chamber volumes to test this theory).

Anyhow, I still agree that dished makes best sense in the application mentioned in this thread.
mcollinstn is offline  
Reply


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.