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ROTAX454 08-20-2007 07:12 PM

water pick-ups
 
I recently viewed the underside of a Skater (inboard powered) and was looking at the sleek design of the water pick-ups. Completely smooth with nothing protruding below the hull. Anyone can tell me the manufacturer of this hull water pick-up?

JIMKID Motorsports 08-20-2007 07:51 PM

skater does them in house

KNOT-RIGHT 08-21-2007 07:51 AM

They are available at Skater.

The bottom of the boat needs to be modified.
(A groove cut in the bottom). Its easy to do.

The height is adjustable so you can play with water
pressures.

Grants custom rigging sells them in Florida.
They have more of a curve to them.


Gerry

cougarman 08-21-2007 08:49 AM

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MTI Uses these, I took the pictures at the Miami 2007 show

Jon

Brad Zastrow 08-21-2007 09:49 AM

I believe the new Skaters are not using that style any longer. Pete is going with a transom mount now (his design). Adding a through hull is major glass work on an existing hull. Transom mounts work fine. There are a number of aftermarket companies for those.

KNOT-RIGHT 08-21-2007 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by cougarman (Post 2242157)
MTI Uses these, I took the pictures at the Miami 2007 show

Jon

Actualy Jon that is very similar to the way the bottom of the hull looks like after you carve the groove.
Come to think of it that would be easier considering all the contour is done in the metal. You would only have to cut a rectangle to fit it.


Brad,
I am refering to the transom mounts that Peter sells.

KNOT-RIGHT 08-21-2007 12:26 PM

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Here are the pickups Skater sold me a couple years ago.


I hacked the bottom to fit.

FSTCT 08-21-2007 12:53 PM

Hey Gerry,
Ya got that beast runnin this season on any poker runs down here in FL or what???:D

--Mike

KNOT-RIGHT 08-21-2007 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by FSTCT (Post 2242516)
Hey Gerry,
Ya got that beast runnin this season on any poker runs down here in FL or what???:D

--Mike


Whaz up???
Maybe Keywest. If I can make the time here.
I got the first round!

Did you guys sell the 50 Nortech turbine?:cool-smiley-011:

The Menace 08-21-2007 08:36 PM

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These are the pick ups on the 46. It will be modified this winter to transom pick ups.

The 40 already has transom pickups.

KNOT-RIGHT 08-22-2007 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by The Menace (Post 2243184)
These are the pick ups on the 46. It will be modified this winter to transom pick ups.

The 40 already has transom pickups.


C,mon Dennis dont be shy post the rest of that hull:cool-smiley-011:

The Menace 08-23-2007 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KNOT-RIGHT (Post 2244443)
C,mon Dennis dont be shy post the rest of that hull:cool-smiley-011:

Jerry,

there are pics popping up here and there. I thought it would be more fun to let them emerge on their own. This was right above a post you made on the "best rough water cat".

bidpro 08-23-2007 06:50 PM

Has very significant problems with steady or low pressure in my 32 inboard #6 Skater. Tried increasing the lip, cutting into the canyone, etc. nothing worked. The solution was to permanently intall stainless tubes - facing forward to the direction of the oncoming water (front of boat) entering the tube, at an angle, to get the LBS needed. Went from barlely 15 at WOT to 40... just like that.

Gregg Reichman

KNOT-RIGHT 08-23-2007 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by bidpro (Post 2245865)
Has very significant problems with steady or low pressure in my 32 inboard #6 Skater. Tried increasing the lip, cutting into the canyone, etc. nothing worked. The solution was to permanently intall stainless tubes - facing forward to the direction of the oncoming water (front of boat) entering the tube, at an angle, to get the LBS needed. Went from barlely 15 at WOT to 40... just like that.

Gregg Reichman


I have had the exact opposite.
22 lbs at cruise Any movement of the steering wheel
produces 35-40 lbs.
I have since raised the pickups and ran -6 bleeds on the
back of the heads to lower water pressure.

This is with the transom pickup pictured above.

Airentrapment 08-24-2007 09:47 PM

Is that Robert Garcia's Hell fire 46 skater?

ROTAX454 08-25-2007 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by bidpro (Post 2245865)
Has very significant problems with steady or low pressure in my 32 inboard #6 Skater. Tried increasing the lip, cutting into the canyone, etc. nothing worked. The solution was to permanently intall stainless tubes - facing forward to the direction of the oncoming water (front of boat) entering the tube, at an angle, to get the LBS needed. Went from barlely 15 at WOT to 40... just like that.

Gregg Reichman

Gregg, Is yours the pickups pictured in post 7 or 10?

ROTAX454 08-25-2007 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by KNOT-RIGHT (Post 2245876)
I have had the exact opposite.
22 lbs at cruise Any movement of the steering wheel
produces 35-40 lbs.
I have since raised the pickups and ran -6 bleeds on the
back of the heads to lower water pressure.

This is with the transom pickup pictured above.

I thought running the Merc water pressure relief (30 lbs.) would do the job of bleeding (dumping) off any excess water pressure?

bidpro 08-26-2007 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by ROTAX454 (Post 2247265)
Gregg, Is yours the pickups pictured in post 7 or 10?

My pickup was similar to the one depicted in post #10, not exact. When the boat was lifting it simply was pulling the tail out of the water too high and the presure would go away. This was also due, in part, to propeller choice, but mostly the pickup confiruration. I took a look at a 2006 40 Skater and saw a setup similar to the one I described in my post which is the one I am running now and decided it looked like it would work, so I figured why not try it, and it worked very well.

Gregg Reichman

bidpro 08-26-2007 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by ROTAX454 (Post 2247268)
I thought running the Merc water pressure relief (30 lbs.) would do the job of bleeding (dumping) off any excess water pressure?

You can also run a pre-set pressure relief value off of the Sea Strainer if you are running a strainer. If you have a ton of pressure this creates relief before has the chance to blow off other hoses in the system.

Just a thought

Gregg Reichman

KNOT-RIGHT 08-27-2007 08:03 AM

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First picture.
Seastrainer, check valve intercooler feed.
The bronze tee is freshwater flush.


2nd Picture Blowoff valve adjustable to 0-50lbs.


3rd Picture -6 bleeds onback of heads to tee
dumping overboard.

cougarman 01-09-2008 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KNOT-RIGHT (Post 2242404)
Actualy Jon that is very similar to the way the bottom of the hull looks like after you carve the groove.
Come to think of it that would be easier considering all the contour is done in the metal. You would only have to cut a rectangle to fit it.


Seems to be the same principal though

KNOT-RIGHT 01-09-2008 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by cougarman (Post 2400151)
Seems to be the same principal though

Yep I agree.

Dont really even need mine anymore I am going to bring them
way up.

Hey Hows that beast of yours comming?

The Menace 01-09-2008 07:17 PM

The issue with that style is when you turn your water pressure will go to ZERO on your outboard engine and it will bury the needle on the inside engine. If you go into a wide sweeping turn you may roach the exhaust pipes and eventually your impeller on the outboard side of the turn. Go to the transom mount and save yourself some headaches. Mine is being done this winter.

cougarman 01-09-2008 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by The Menace (Post 2400221)
The issue with that style is when you turn your water pressure will go to ZERO on your outboard engine and it will bury the needle on the inside engine. If you go into a wide sweeping turn you may roach the exhaust pipes and eventually your impeller on the outboard side of the turn. Go to the transom mount and save yourself some headaches. Mine is being done this winter.


They are in the bottom of the V so how is that any different than a transom mount in the bottom of the V?

Thanks
Jon

cougarman 01-09-2008 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by KNOT-RIGHT (Post 2400180)
Yep I agree.

Hey Hows that beast of yours comming?


Making great head way, something tells me you will still beat me to the water,............like you neighbors say,..You need a job :D

Jon

The Menace 01-10-2008 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by cougarman (Post 2400387)
They are in the bottom of the V so how is that any different than a transom mount in the bottom of the V?

Thanks
Jon

When a cat turns the inboard side digs in and the outboard side rises and skips across the surface of the water. There is a significant amount of aeration occuring from the outboard steps which also reduces surface contact. With the pick ups being flush there is nothing to scoop the water and maintain a positive and constant flow or pressure.

This phenomena is obvious and critical in a cat. Keep in mind that on a big cat the flush mounted pick ups are 7+ feet apart.

A crosswind situation will cause the windward side to dig in and the leeward side to rise. The water pressure on the windward side will be higher but it will maintain pressure.
We are leaving the flush mounts but also adding transom pick ups as well. One system will run off a pump for idling the other will operate from pure force.

The flush design was intended to reduce drag for race boats. As long as you are going straight and making quick turns it will work. They certainly cleanup the transom of the boat.

cougarman 01-10-2008 08:39 AM

The Menace,


In a Cat I can agree with you.

I thought your original statement you were talking about the V-Bottom.


Thanks for your comments

Jon

KNOT-RIGHT 01-10-2008 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by cougarman (Post 2400396)
Making great head way, something tells me you will still beat me to the water,............like you neighbors say,..You need a job :D

Jon


Why ya got to be like that?:D

cougarman 01-10-2008 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by KNOT-RIGHT (Post 2401325)
Why ya got to be like that?:D


Maybe I just need to park mine next to yours and keep sending you the parts :D

Jon


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