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rangerrick63 06-19-2009 10:25 AM

Sonic Prowler...
 
Ok, I think everyone knows the 26 has an issue with Porpoising...
I've got K-planes, & they do a great job of controlling it, & mid 50's, I am able to lift them to "neutral" (not sure if that is still considerd to be dragging). However, the porpoising will still return at that speed if a wake is hit, or any wave to upset the ride. Again, I drop the tabs, & all is well.

I've also swithced to a Hydromotive P5X, hoping to help the issue. It does seem to help some, but what that prop does more is...On plane much quicker, & I no prop blow-out in turns.

So, more or less, I've "learned to live with it"...With that said, I really enjoy the boat. I love the ride, it is a very secure feeling boat. I do plan on keeping it for a while. So, I started learing more about the Porpoising issue...

Being that all Prowlers do it, I'm convinced it's not a "hook" in the hull, unless it was a design issue, & I've never heard anything about that.
I have also read about the "notched transom" being the issue. Well, I'm not ready to have it filled in....lol.
I am thinking more along the line of drive depth. I'm not sure which way it would need to go to help it. I've read where some boats do better with a shorty, & some do better with a drive spacer.
So, short of spending lots of money to test, I'm looking for a bit of input.
I know there was a thread here a while back, & someone was planning on trying a shorty, but I've not seen where they actually did.
Has anyone tried a drive spacer? I'm thinking that is the direction I need to go. It seems to me (definitely not an engineer) the prop would have more "leverege" to hold the bow, if it were a bit deeper in the water. Am I thinking wrong with that?
Then I look at what a shorty may do, it seems that the boat would want to run more level, & that boat definitely seems to like...more level.
I had even considered looking into an extension box, but that is quite a bit more work, & I know nothing about what they do...anyway.
Sorry for the long post, I'm just thinking of ways that can make the boat better.
Thanks for any input on this....

Plum_Crazy 06-19-2009 11:05 AM

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Just looking at this pic of a Prowler, the prop shaft looks very deep in the water to me. I'm no expert, though. Have you talked to Sonic?

45SS 06-19-2009 01:04 PM

Try talking to Julie at throttle up. I spoke with her, she said that when Dollar offshore and Sonic were kinda tied together her and Mindy did a lot of prop testing on Sonic's. She is familiar with what the Sonic hull likes.

LordStanley74 06-19-2009 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by Plum_Crazy (Post 2892282)
Just looking at this pic of a Prowler, the prop shaft looks very deep in the water to me. I'm no expert, though. Have you talked to Sonic?

All 26 are built like that. I have a 502 in mine and my prop sits that low in the water. Im not an expert, but if the X dimension was raised, would there be enough clean water getting the prop?

LordStanley74 06-19-2009 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by rangerrick63 (Post 2892233)
Ok, I think everyone knows the 26 has an issue with Porpoising...
I've got K-planes, & they do a great job of controlling it, & mid 50's, I am able to lift them to "neutral" (not sure if that is still considerd to be dragging). However, the porpoising will still return at that speed if a wake is hit, or any wave to upset the ride. Again, I drop the tabs, & all is well.

I've also swithced to a Hydromotive P5X, hoping to help the issue. It does seem to help some, but what that prop does more is...On plane much quicker, & I no prop blow-out in turns.

So, more or less, I've "learned to live with it"...With that said, I really enjoy the boat. I love the ride, it is a very secure feeling boat. I do plan on keeping it for a while. So, I started learing more about the Porpoising issue...

Being that all Prowlers do it, I'm convinced it's not a "hook" in the hull, unless it was a design issue, & I've never heard anything about that.
I have also read about the "notched transom" being the issue. Well, I'm not ready to have it filled in....lol.
I am thinking more along the line of drive depth. I'm not sure which way it would need to go to help it. I've read where some boats do better with a shorty, & some do better with a drive spacer.
So, short of spending lots of money to test, I'm looking for a bit of input.
I know there was a thread here a while back, & someone was planning on trying a shorty, but I've not seen where they actually did.
Has anyone tried a drive spacer? I'm thinking that is the direction I need to go. It seems to me (definitely not an engineer) the prop would have more "leverege" to hold the bow, if it were a bit deeper in the water. Am I thinking wrong with that?
Then I look at what a shorty may do, it seems that the boat would want to run more level, & that boat definitely seems to like...more level.
I had even considered looking into an extension box, but that is quite a bit more work, & I know nothing about what they do...anyway.
Sorry for the long post, I'm just thinking of ways that can make the boat better.
Thanks for any input on this....

Im running a 24p bravo with my 26. I really only see porposing between 35-45mph. If Im over 50, I use no tabs and adjust the drive if I start to bounce from other wakes.

I really dont think it matters what prop we use, if we shorten the drive or add an extension. Its the nature of the hull...

GO4BROKE 06-19-2009 06:14 PM

I would try a nose cone first. I've seen it fix chine walking issues. I don't know why, but I've seen it first hand.
Plus they look cool! LOL

rangerrick63 06-19-2009 10:57 PM

After posting this thread, I spoke with Todd at Hydromotive. I am going to send him my P5X to do some work to the "leading edge" to get more "bow lift".
I did notice a change in the porpoising as soon as I put the prop on right out of the box...It was still there, but it did improve.
I was thinking I needed more "stern lift", but the way Todd explained it, I was thinking "backwards"...go figure :lolhit:
I will post the results when I get it back.
Thanks for all the input...

go propless 06-23-2009 11:38 AM

Have you tried a left hand prop? I've seen it work on other boats. Just a thought.

LordStanley74 06-23-2009 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by rangerrick63 (Post 2892680)
After posting this thread, I spoke with Todd at Hydromotive. I am going to send him my P5X to do some work to the "leading edge" to get more "bow lift".
I did notice a change in the porpoising as soon as I put the prop on right out of the box...It was still there, but it did improve.
I was thinking I needed more "stern lift", but the way Todd explained it, I was thinking "backwards"...go figure :lolhit:
I will post the results when I get it back.
Thanks for all the input...

I would think thats backwards too. The more I get the bow out of the water at crusing speeds (35-45mph) the more the boat bounces.... When I tuck the drive in, the bounce lessens.

rangerrick63 06-25-2009 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by go propless (Post 2895106)
Have you tried a left hand prop? I've seen it work on other boats. Just a thought.

When I switched to the 5 blade, I went with a LH rotation. Overall, it did help with the porpoising, I'm just not sure if it was just the 5 blade, or the LH, or a combination of both...
However, I do have a bit of "prop torque" while getting on plane, now that I have the 5 blade, but no big deal.

I decided to wait to send to prop back to Hydromotive. I've got some runs I plan on doing over the next month, & I don't think he could get the prop back to me in time. I'll most likely wait until late next month & see how busy they are.


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