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Originally Posted by louietherigger
(Post 2036721)
Hey T,
1) BS its hard enough keeping the boat count up as it is, not everyone can afford to run SV or SC or factory for that matter. Simplicity is beautiful in many ways.
Originally Posted by louietherigger
(Post 2036721)
3)You can build a 500hp motor and drive package for 1/2 of what the spec motors cost, so who does this really benefit? As far as levelized performance, A Fountain w/ 525's at this time has 2 equals, the rest don't have a prayer..
Originally Posted by louietherigger
(Post 2036721)
4)They also recognize racers that let there kids take a picture on the boat, custom cars and bikes, and racers who smile and dont walk around like they fart perfume..
Originally Posted by louietherigger
(Post 2036721)
7)Indeed but we need the players don't we?.
Originally Posted by louietherigger
(Post 2036721)
9)True to a point, key word being demand...
Originally Posted by louietherigger
(Post 2036721)
10)True, but what I've seen is stadium style racing packs a larger crowd possibly enticing TV to take a look..
Originally Posted by louietherigger
(Post 2036721)
11)BS like boxing, just show the so called Heavywieghts. Uh where is boxing now? Show the most exciting battles and snippits of the whole race. How will the developmentally challenged classes attract sponsors if they never get airtime! Showing everyone is seeding the future, and like you said the fans don't know whose who ,Vee's or Cats..
Originally Posted by louietherigger
(Post 2036721)
12)Patchogue,OPA.
Originally Posted by louietherigger
(Post 2036721)
14)I still try.
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Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2039269)
I'd rather see a strong, growing handful of competitive boats as a foundation, than an unfocused, confused jumble of patchwork race hulls looking for a party, a trophy...and a handout.
The only way this sport has a chance to actually be more than it is now, is for a single, promotable premier class consisting of 10-15 boats to be created (Super Cat comes to mind - the original 40' 130 mph class). However, the boats must all be owned and controlled by a single deep pocket, almost like a start-up sports league owning the original teams until the league becomes stable. Otherwise, and history has shown this, the individual owners of the premier boats, eventually come to believe they are the stars; they can do it better, cheaper, blah, blah, blah. They form their own group, split off from the sancioning body and the vicious cycle starts over again. Unless and until someone or some group willing to invest that kind of money comes along, the sport is stuck. PERIOD. The hobby can be made better and more fun but that is all. Sad but true IMO.:( |
Originally Posted by Mike Allweiss
(Post 2039318)
Only problem Rich is that unless the sanctioning body actually owns and therefore controls that foundation of competitive boats, all we have is another future splinter group in waiting.
The only way this sport has a chance to actually be more than it is now, is for a single, promotable premier class consisting of 10-15 boats to be created (Super Cat comes to mind - the original 40' 130 mph class). However, the boats must all be owned and controlled by a single deep pocket, almost like a start-up sports league owning the original teams until the league becomes stable. Otherwise, and history has shown this, the individual owners of the premier boats, eventually come to believe they are the stars; they can do it better, cheaper, blah, blah, blah. They form their own group, split off from the sancioning body and the vicious cycle starts over again. Unless and until someone or some group willing to invest that kind of money comes along, the sport is stuck. PERIOD. The hobby can be made better and more fun but that is all. Sad but true IMO.:( The biggest kick in the *ss concerning the above?.... Not one of those guys races today..... and dozens of replacement short sighted owners have come and gone since. Not even a very deep pocketed series can dissuade a guy who is well heeled, himself, and hell bent on being the "top dog". As a result, sometimes you have to walk away from "Charlie Checkbook" owners and let them fritter away their resources and limited (in time) involvement someplace else. T2x |
Originally Posted by racesdad
(Post 2037623)
drivers union anyone? i
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Further on my earlier posts...re: the competition model.
Bear with me on this please..... I love the reality show "The Amazing Race"..... I was thinking about this and realize it proves my point completely. 1. It is an amazingly simple plot...12 pairs of people matching wits, guile, and physical prowess to race around the world following easy to understand rules. 2. The viewer bonds with, or against, the personalities of the contestants, the difficulties they face, and the ingenuity they display. We all identify with the struggles. 3. There are no distractions from the central competition, no beginners' class, no Identical twins class, no children of privelege class....simply a heads up equal playing field. 4. The program is focused, snappy, and nicely paced. a tribute to the producer, director and host (who has minimal screen and "talking head" time). 5. There's no bling, glamour, thongs, gangsta rap, over the top paint jobs, or "extreme" behaviour. Bottom line, this program has enjoyed repeated 13 week renewals, is very highly rated and leaves the viewer wanting more. The past competitors have become so well recognized that this edition is made up purely of past, well received "star" contestants, two of which were actually winners on another show entirely, "Survivor". I have heard all the arguments about why we shouldn't compare ourselves to Nascar, but everything from Pro wrestling to the X Games would kill to gain the ratings and recognition that "The Amazing Race" has garnered. This is exactly how Nascar started (A bunch of ex-moonshining, Southern boys racing "stockcars" around dusty old tracks in America). I submit that this is an example of the simple formula that Offshore needs to follow...and aspire to...... Take one class.........add lots of personality development .....focus on the racing...... and the sponsors will come. Make that a success, and the developmental pieces will follow...... but should never lead the band. T2x |
Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2039548)
Take one class.........add lots of personality development .....focus on the racing...... and the sponsors will come. Make that a success, and the developmental pieces will follow...... but should never lead the band.
T2x |
Mike A ... Whats to keep the guy/gal with the deep pockets "owning" the series to say F it and walk away too? Everyone thinks Nascars fixed, I dont think Id ever buy into a race with one guy/gal owning all the boats ...
NFL, Nascar, Baseball ... they all seem to do pretty well with the teams being individually owned .. they just all play and race under the same banner. How about coming up with a banner that everyones willing to race under? Tx .. Louies point with boxing is that they show the feather weight classes as well as the heavy weights if thats where the best fights are. Your statement "The idea that a sponsor should pony up to put his name on a thread bare, 1986 Scarab with a pair of home built Chevies, and that such a boat "deserves" television, is, was, and will always be ludicrous"" is both pompous and ignorant. Fans want to see racing. Good racing. Real racing. Not expensive equipment running around in circles. Your answer to Louie on Point 4 is also wrong. They may not know who he is or what class at that moment but I guarantee they will be looking for him and his boat during the race. Product recognition .. his product is himself and his team and people remember nice people. They remember the guy who took his time to answer their questions and deal with their kids. They dont root for arrogant *******s. Just ask Kurt Busch. |
Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2039269)
We agree to disagree...but, from the viewpoint of a pure spectator, he'd rather watch one class than a dozen that he cant...and will never...understand, simply so that a bunch of boat owners can claim a "win" or a trophy. 1-2 boats in a class aint racing...and it never will be worth watching no matter how much an owner might enjoy driving around a bunch of buoys.
Simplicity is beautiful in many ways. You get what you pay for..This sport has been plagued by auto engine builders making cheap..but undependable engines for years...and begging parts from everybody and every auto parts store at a race course. You can't beat a factory support truck, spec engines and factory technicians. They still have no idea what class you're in...who you are...or who you race against...if they are there to see your custom bike, maybe American Chopper would be a better basis for their interest. Not neccesarily..We have endured a number of racers (and celebrity types) who came aboard, threw a few bucks around, whipsawed the sport, bent the rules to their own behalf, and continued the tradition of complicating the competition model. As much as you are focused on the "little guy"..... the latest of these concepts, the turbine class, must seem like it comes from another planet to you. Major non marine sponsors make demands based on what the public wants to see, not what we want to own. If we want true sponsors than we have to acknowledge that our sport needs less showing off and more true racing. Having been in the TV production side of this sport for many years......TV won't "take a look"....A sport gathers strong sponsor interest...and the sponsors pay for the program....TV will only look at a sponsored opportunity...It's strictly business. Sadly, most of our races..from a pure entertainment perspective are jumbled, confusing, and not as good as other alternatives. With today's viewer's ability to switch to hundreds of other programs simply by pushing a button....... Offshore racing has to raise its bar dramatically. Boxing is on HBO, ESPN, and a bunch of other outlets. We are on the "Left Handed power tool channel", if at all, last time I checked...and at present that's about what we deserve. As to the "developmentally challenged classes"........ If you had fewer of them, you'd have a better chance of attracting a sponsor. Look I don't care if we feature two classes..one for the rich guys (big multi engine cat)..one for the budget conscious (single engine vee)...put canopies on both and call it a day. The idea that a sponsor should pony up to put his name on a thread bare, 1986 Scarab with a pair of home built Chevies, and that such a boat "deserves" television, is, was, and will always be ludicrous....... I don't know what this means. As far as I know this is a new race on the schedule at a site that has not supported any racing since 1982. Whether or not it will be successful remains to be seen. What I am hearing is that the "grass roots" Long Island racers (mostly single OB) are spending more time pointing fingers about the (relatively modest) entry costs, than getting behind the event and treating it like the wonderful opportunity it represents. When one tries to please everyone.... One faces the possibility of pleasing none. That in a nutshell is the problem we have on our hands. I applaud your goal, but I'd rather see a strong, growing handful of competitive boats as a foundation, than an unfocused, confused jumble of patchwork race hulls looking for a party, a trophy...and a handout. a) How come it says never bitter next to your name? b)If you don't know who I am or what I drive your out of touch. c)I don't want to within a 1/4 mile of you when Augie reads the Scarab remark. d) the Patchogue race is not base upon S.O.Boats, it is just being offered to them, We have plenty of boats already, we hope they take advantage. It will be a real great event. e)My wife is the gardener in the family and one thing I learned watching her is that if you put acid on a seed it will surely die. Water it , feed it, love it and it might grow in to something beautiful. ( the acid thing was an accident, I was putting a battery in the waverunner).JK. Is all the positive energy drained from you? Life can beat you up and do that to you, I know what I'm talking about. To bad a guy with all your knowledge can't put it to good use. Mike A. is a bigger man then I ever imagined. With positive advice from him, Racing will get a big boost. Louie "Strictly Business" 206 PS. We race a Canopied Fountain SV, didn't mean to be a wiseass |
Holy Crap - Allweiss agreeting with Luhrs.... I hear Reggie and Fiore are planning a picknick together as an encore.
Lou the Rigger - Agreed about TX2 - it should say "Exclusively Bitter"... but I think he really just has a delivery problem more than being bitter - gotta give him credit for a deep knowledge base. Gregg Reichman |
Originally Posted by Racegirl3
(Post 2039592)
Tx .. Your statement "The idea that a sponsor should pony up to put his name on a thread bare, 1986 Scarab with a pair of home built Chevies, and that such a boat "deserves" television, is, was, and will always be ludicrous"" is both pompous and ignorant. Fans want to see racing. Good racing. Real racing. Not expensive equipment running around in circles.
Originally Posted by Racegirl3
(Post 2039592)
Your answer to Louie on Point 4 is also wrong. They may not know who he is or what class at that moment but I guarantee they will be looking for him and his boat during the race. Product recognition .. his product is himself and his team and people remember nice people. They remember the guy who took his time to answer their questions and deal with their kids. They dont root for arrogant *******s. Just ask Kurt Busch.
Respectfully...... T2x |
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