Negative on Sutphen
 

I've always loved Sutphen's and feel that they are a fantastic rough water boat and are well built.

However I'm not that familiar with how they are built.

Just curious what your thoughts are on the comments expressed on page two of this thread.

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forum...d.php?t=168706

saw the post over there..
sounds like a disgruntled person...
they don't have steps....
they have won championships..
they are tough to roll over...!!!
the new little ones and the larger ones are built with the best materials out there..no carbon fiber..no kevlar..no ovens..
it's tough to grow up in new england and not know the name..more popular than cigs @ one time up here..
the new smaller ones rich jr is building are absolutely beautiful..different bottoms, different deck..
we own the tsunami race boat...fun boat..
let the "boys" that have been out in the rough water comment on them!!!

Sounds like someone has a personal bone to pick.

As far as a wood cored boat.....there are several other ways to core stringers and bulkheads, but I believe I would take wood coring over anything. A lot of boat manufacturers still use wood, it is not something from the dark ages but rather something that works BEST. It's dense and strong and you really can FEEL a difference. If you ride in a foam cored boat it is just not the same feel.

Correct me if I'm out of line here fellas but wood coring is the way to go in my opinion

I've seen pictures of your boat many times, Tsunami. Great looking rig.

A couple of years ago I was drifting outside of Atlantic City maybe a half mile out and there was this Sutphen race boat, I believe it was a 32'. The guy was just ripping up and down the coast doing 90 mph. I can't remember the name of the boat, but it sounded incredible.

Just got the name of that boat around my way.

Zubaz 777 a 32' Sutphen. He won a lot of races with that boat.

I haven't seen it in a while.

Did it look like a zebra?

the former Harrahs Zubazz is a 34' ..not sure if it still has the stripes, tho...??

one of the all time winningest Sutphens built.

I'll take your word for it.

I'm getting this info from my buddy, but he drinks too much.

Wood Will Be Stronger And Stiffer But Will Also Be More Weight And Will Handle Better In Real Offshore Condition's And Be Slower For The Lake Guy's Out There That Can Run At Full Throtle And Full Positive Trimm Witch Is Something You Can't Do In The Rough Stuff :)
Mike

32/34 ?? been 5 years since I saw it
 

I'll drink to that!!

air ride should do some research and find out how many sutphens have flipped over because of steps in the hull, the answer is not one! as far as I am concerned steps can be very dangerous also I don't feel that steps help at all in rough water, where we boat all we have is big water. personally I would rather have a safe extremely well built boat , i e sutphens rule!!!!!!!!!!!!

As you guys know I am a huge sutphen fan.

My family has owned a few and I grew up on them.

One thing I must say though is my brothers fountain, although
bouncier also handles rougher water pretty well when your on it hard. Its a step type hull.

I have been more and more impressed by the fountain hull as he gets used to how to run it.

That being said I still think sutphens are one of the best made.

40 you owned both whats your take on the step fountain versus the sutphen?

We havent owned a step Fountain but do have alot of hours in a stepped 42. The 42 Fountain has a great hull and a great ride. We have run that boat in big big water at a good clip and it handles real good. In a following sea the bow doesnt seem to rise so you get wet but it still rides very well. Sutphens are great boats as everyone knows. Still with Tsunami and the Gladiator which is a step bottom, I would take the Cigarette. I have never felt unsafe ever in the boat in any water and we boat in big water as well or running 90+mph in poker runs. Step hulls when driven properly run amazing and are perfectly safe just as Sutphens are. Sutphens are built as good if not better than anything out there and for not being big heavy resin buckets run damn well in any water! Now a big cat is where its at!:D:D Maybe my Dad has a different take on it???

Dan

the sutphen ride is by far a great running boat. I own a 30 sutphen with two motors, its a older hull, built by Sr in cape coral. I use the sutphen off the waters of Atlantic City NJ, much like the 777 gang. When i was in the market for a boat i decided on sutphen after extensive research - the boats are built really well. my stringer system is boxed the bottom is 2 degrees more then a common perf boat which means it needs a little more power to make mph however the ride is amazing esp in very rough water. It will be very hard to sell my boat as i enjoy it very much.

I'll always take over built and a little slower for better rough water capability.

What colors are your boat?

Do you go to Trump Marina much?

I just couldn't resist jumping in on this with my two cents..

First, I was raised on Long Island Sound and my first boat was a 20 foot solid wood boat called a Dunphy. Not built for speed but that boat could go damn near anywhere. In the late 60's early 70's when offshore racing was getting started those boats were built to take some of the worst water we've ever seen and they did it at unheard of speeds for the time.

Sutphens are built with all this in mind even today. Why fix something that isn't broken. Maybe weight is important to push that extra MPH, however, some of you may want to take the family out for a blast. Why let them bounce all over. I've never driven a stepped hull and really don't care if I ever do. All I do know is our boats are built to take punishment if need be. Our new and redesigned 277 and 31 will do just that. Safety first and foremost. As an older guy, I like to go fast but prefer feeling comfortable in doing so.

Morgan and I are working with Rich, Jr. to give to our supporters what they want..tried and true and reliable and definitely built to last.

I can't speak for any other manufacturer but the combined experiences of the three of us will produce boats that surely will be a subject of conversation.

Most of you have already seen our 21 SS and SSX. Some have seen them in person. My first experience being on the other side of the fence at the Norwalk boat show was remarkable to say the least. I was very proud to hear people comment on the lines and finish of our boats and I was certainly overwhelmed by the number of people that were happy we were starting this venture.

For me, it is a dream come true. To represent a product that is built with the heart is truly comforting. Richie, Jr. really enjoys what he is doing and we are confident that we will make our company grow and respected.

Of course, none of this could happen without the support of all of you. Thank you.

Sutphen Performance Group, LLC

Ron

Ron,

I'm in total agreement with you. Why mess with success. Sutphens are legendary.

I was trying to be polite when I started this thread, but the guy that made those comments is a moron.

Probably owns a bayliner.

solid, safe, predictable, classic, rough-water boats...where's the problem?

Red and white.

I do head to Trump once and a while. but mostly go to places with less noise- sea isle for sea food at carmens or cape may to the lobster house and blast between Ac and Oc

I too saw the threads and negative comments...
i mailed the new sutphen group a while ago trying to get some info on the hatches they are building for the new boat as i wanted to put one on the 30 but i did not receive any reply. I hope all is well with their new product.

hey christian..
good summer on the shore?
hope so!
(selling me th eboat yet?)
christian

There is one other thing I can add to this thread.

That the sutphen comunity of owners is one of if the best owners comunitys you'll find.

I have some friends who own other makes and the owners dont stick together like they do with sutphens.

Hi Chris,
yes summer was very nice! working lots. and you?

Ahh if i do decide to sell you will be the first to hear word
but i dont think i am ready. going over the entire boat as we speak...

just received word from Morgan at sutphen maybe we can put something together with that new style hatch as i think it would look very nice on the 30 even if i need to section it. I will measure my hatch while at the plant tomorrow.

I agree, the sutphen community is very supportive and unique. they are owners who seem to be a little more interesting, and are smart guys.

Sutphen is one of the best rough water boats out there.

1-33-2-another-33
 

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