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PARADOX 04-07-2011 06:22 PM

New CMI headers for 525 and ?
 
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Never installed, brand new in box, CMI headers for 525 and whatever else they may fit.
I'm in a pickle and I screwed up. WRONG SET FOR ME. These are straight, appearently designed for straight out the back. (like a staggered set up) Not enough "sweep" down to fit to my existing tips. I thought ALL CMI headers for Mercs are the same. I was wrong. These are actually have the Merc. speced stainless rigid tubes/racks (distribution tubes) on the bottem.
$4,000 for the pair + shipping.

Thx
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Expensive Date 04-07-2011 07:03 PM

They won't take them back?????

PARADOX 04-07-2011 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by Expensive Date (Post 3371249)
They won't take them back?????

It's not "their" fault and it's not CMI. I did not buy them from CMI or one of their dealers. When I, F' up, I admit it. I measured, looked, and one thing I forgot when I was looking at the pictures that my silly wide screen monitor "streches" everything, so I thought I can make them work. As soon as I opened the box. I said CHIT. So, I do have to get the right set and let these go. BUT!!! with the sale, I will include ALL the untold issues how to keep these last. I talked, and I learend, there is a WAY to help their "life expectancy".

Baja_man 04-07-2011 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by PARADOX (Post 3371262)
I will include ALL the untold issues how to keep these last. I talked, and I learend, there is a WAY to help their "life expectancy".

Do tell.

And what other accessories come with...gaskets, oil relocate kit....anything?

redbud35 04-07-2011 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by PARADOX (Post 3371262)
It's not "their" fault and it's not CMI. I did not buy them from CMI or one of their dealers. When I, F' up, I admit it. I measured, looked, and one thing I forgot when I was looking at the pictures that my silly wide screen monitor "streches" everything, so I thought I can make them work. As soon as I opened the box. I said CHIT. So, I do have to get the right set and let these go. BUT!!! with the sale, I will include ALL the untold issues how to keep these last. I talked, and I learend, there is a WAY to help their "life expectancy".

I just bought the same set in January for $6000!!!
:eek:
Looks like CMI at least polished them for you. My old set looked better than the new ones when I pulled them out of the box.

Face It 04-08-2011 05:48 AM

are those big tubes

Baja_man 04-08-2011 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by Face It (Post 3371507)
are those big tubes

I would think sport tube

PARADOX 04-08-2011 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by Baja_man (Post 3371274)
Do tell.

And what other accessories come with...gaskets, oil relocate kit....anything?

lol... The "telling" thing will cost 4K.
You can have a set of gaskets, and all the bolts. No oil relocate. Why would you need one?


Not "big tubes" I do think they are called the "sport tube" headers.

pachanga 04-08-2011 04:14 PM

Send the tails to CMI and have them adjust them to your application! I did on mine and it was only a few hundred smackers!

thirdchildhood 04-08-2011 04:59 PM

So you know a secret to making 525 headers last longer but you're not telling. What if we all stop sharing advice here?

PARADOX 04-08-2011 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by thirdchildhood (Post 3372090)
So you know a secret to making 525 headers last longer but you're not telling. What if we all stop sharing advice here?

Well.. it's not "a" or "one" single secret, it's a combination of things. Some of them are already known and discussed in various threads. Some are more on the "informal", undocumented areas. If some one tells me something in confidence, and request not go out in the public, it will stay with in confidence. There area lot if things to take into concidiration to add longitivity to "any" header. I am not in the liberty to devolge everything I learned through my own headaches, but here is a few items.
Heat is a major factor. Water preassure alone will not help you to know everything that's going on with the cooling system. So the problem... Most manufactureres and Merc, have "preassure" sensing systems like "vesselview". No "flow" meter. The volume/flow meter systems are just coming into the market. You need to monitor both.
Draining and flushing. I would think everyone flushes the motors after salt water use. However, few actually drains the headers and keep them dry after use. They should be drained. There are some aftermarket system to drain the headers.
Installation; assumingly motors are rigged as per specs, but.
due to different set up. (IE; staggered systems) port motor VS starboard may get more reversion then the other.
Storage, no matter where but especially winter. You WILL get condensation. Recommendation, have a $10 fan in the bilge keep the system from condensation. Extending header and motor life.
Engine shut off after use.; many, just shut off once at the docks or ramps. Run the motors for a few minutes, "dry out" the headers, let them cool off before shutting motors off. Idle for a few minutes.
Compression testing. Test the motors frequently before major demage occurs.
Rubber hose / tip connection to tail pipe and transom tips. Keep it as short as possible and as stiff as possible. Viboration and movement of headers. A complicated thing, so just make the system "stiff".

To "share" a few. There is more. :)
All I will say further, is that there is a reason for Merc. bulletins and header re-designs.
I monitored and did a lot of things, but not everyting. Now I will monitor and do pretty much EVERYTHING.

thirdchildhood 04-08-2011 08:44 PM

I thought you had the Holy Grail on 525 headers. Good luck with the sale; The price is right.

PARADOX 04-09-2011 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by thirdchildhood (Post 3372234)
I thought you had the Holy Grail on 525 headers. Good luck with the sale; The price is right.

LOL.. yeaaah.. price is right, but still got them. Some one grab these, I need to get the right set.

Redmen666 04-10-2011 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by PARADOX (Post 3372118)
Well.. it's not "a" or "one" single secret, it's a combination of things. Some of them are already known and discussed in various threads. Some are more on the "informal", undocumented areas. If some one tells me something in confidence, and request not go out in the public, it will stay with in confidence. There area lot if things to take into concidiration to add longitivity to "any" header. I am not in the liberty to devolge everything I learned through my own headaches, but here is a few items.
Heat is a major factor. Water preassure alone will not help you to know everything that's going on with the cooling system. So the problem... Most manufactureres and Merc, have "preassure" sensing systems like "vesselview". No "flow" meter. The volume/flow meter systems are just coming into the market. You need to monitor both.
Draining and flushing. I would think everyone flushes the motors after salt water use. However, few actually drains the headers and keep them dry after use. They should be drained. There are some aftermarket system to drain the headers.
Installation; assumingly motors are rigged as per specs, but.
due to different set up. (IE; staggered systems) port motor VS starboard may get more reversion then the other.
Storage, no matter where but especially winter. You WILL get condensation. Recommendation, have a $10 fan in the bilge keep the system from condensation. Extending header and motor life.
Engine shut off after use.; many, just shut off once at the docks or ramps. Run the motors for a few minutes, "dry out" the headers, let them cool off before shutting motors off. Idle for a few minutes.
Compression testing. Test the motors frequently before major demage occurs.
Rubber hose / tip connection to tail pipe and transom tips. Keep it as short as possible and as stiff as possible. Viboration and movement of headers. A complicated thing, so just make the system "stiff".

To "share" a few. There is more. :)
All I will say further, is that there is a reason for Merc. bulletins and header re-designs.
I monitored and did a lot of things, but not everyting. Now I will monitor and do pretty much EVERYTHING.

Can you recommend a mfg or aftermarket kit for the header drains? i can't locate a kit. Thanks.

PARADOX 04-11-2011 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by Redmen666 (Post 3373274)
Can you recommend a mfg or aftermarket kit for the header drains? i can't locate a kit. Thanks.

I dont have any specific recommendation. Contact some dealers or some HP part distributors.

FIXX 04-11-2011 04:17 PM

Fixx
 

Originally Posted by thirdchildhood (Post 3372090)
So you know a secret to making 525 headers last longer but you're not telling. What if we all stop sharing advice here?

Carl, the only to make them last long is,

a) Dont use yout boat

b) take them off and put them on a shelf and install a set of stellings:drink:

PARADOX 04-12-2011 01:22 PM

Ttt

PARADOX 04-15-2011 08:04 AM

TTT.
Hmmm.. People send E-mails or call they want them, then vanish..

OK who really want these?

Northeast Marine 04-15-2011 03:29 PM

headers
 
Im interested in headers have a customer that needs them please give me a call 203 912 7581

thanx Rich Northeast Performance

PARADOX 05-12-2011 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by Northeast Marine (Post 3377752)
Im interested in headers have a customer that needs them please give me a call 203 912 7581

thanx Rich Northeast Performance

Old age must be getting to me. I think we talked, did you get what you were looking for? Mine are still in my living room and I need to get them out of here.

Frogg1968 05-12-2011 12:27 PM

Im interested in headers . Call me 816-596-0457 Kevin

PARADOX 05-17-2011 08:15 AM

ttt

PARADOX 06-24-2011 06:30 AM

ttt
Some one buy these.. Tired looking at them.


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