Like New Bravo One Outdrive
 

Guys,

The family just acquired a 2002 PowerQuest 280 Silencer (my dream boat) with a 496MAG HO and a (supposedly) factory installed M1 ProCharger. The boat has been never been run hard, but I'm concerned about the outdrive, being it's a stock Bravo One. I'm really surprised the boat left the plant with the Bravo One, even without the ProCharger, but, there it is. I'd like to be able to run the boat as it was built to run, so I'm looking to upgrade a bit.

I'm in the midst of a deal with AADS for a reman Bravo XR-XZ hybrid. If all goes according to plan, I'll have a ~145hr Bravo One for sale. It's all but pristine, with only some minor nicks in the black on the leading edge of the skeg. Drive runs smooth and the oil is clean.

The outdrive is not yet on the block, but I'm obviously looking to get out of this exchange as unbruised as possible. What is the going market rate for a swap-ready B1? While I'm not actively looking to sell in the immediate, I'm open to offers, so long as it's understood I'm not letting go of the drive until I have the replacement in hand. I'm really just doing some research in preparation for that dreaded discussion across the dinner table.

Thanks. Brad.
Model Machine and Precision LLC

Guys,

I guess I'm not allowed to post pics until I have at least ten posts. I would really like some input on this, so, if anybody would like to see pics, I'd be happy to PM them, I guess. Maybe somebody can post them for me.... (?)

Thanks. Brad.
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Welcome to the board, everybody like pictures. Just make 8 more posts, content is really irrelevant!
I have sold non swept back Bravos in good condition for $3,000.00 CDN

Resurrected,

Good to hear. That's kinda what I expected.

We just got a nice little unexpected cash infusion that should cover the vast majority of the cost of the swap if I can get that out of our current outdrive. I haven't had the conversation yet, but we will soon.

Thanks. Brad.
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If your concerned about drive life, why not keep it and set it up as a spare??

Phragle,

Simply put.... Because I'm not really a man of means. At least not to that caliber. And the wife is very fiscally reserved.

As I stated in the opening post, I'm looking to get out of this exchange without taking too much of a hit. Also mentioned is that I'm not really looking to build a beast, even if That would be very satisfying for me to do. I just want to get the boat to a very reliable stage while getting it running as it was intended to run.

We intend to ski behind this boat. I sold the buy to my wife based on this stipulation. I grew up on a monster "ski" boat, but when my dad sold that and bought his 27' SeaRay, I was able to make the transition and skied behind it without any real trouble, even if the wake was considerably more formidable. My wife also learned to ski behind that SeaRay. It was a 260cc, which was built on the Pachanga hull, and had a stock 315HP 454, so I figure the PC 280, at a thousand pounds lighter and twice the HP, should at least serve the same function.. I'm just concerned about the hole shot. So I'm going to send the ECM to Whipple for their stage2 flash, custom for a Procharger build, then addressing the outdrive to ensure no scattering. I'll be content with the overall performance from there, and we'll have a very reliable configuration. Plus Whipple claims they'll get rid of the end-of-day transom soot situation......

Thanks. Brad.
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Guys,

Here it is....

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And the boat it's on.
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Thanks. Brad.
Model Machine and Precision LLC
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I’ll buy the boat and save you all the headache 😎 Nice looking ride, I would be a buyer if you ever put it up

ShortCircuit,

Yeah….. That’s not gonna happen. This is my dream boat. I’ve been looking for a PQ280 for two years. Had one in hand, drug our feet and let it sell out from under us. I called it “the unicorn”, because it was absolutely perfect, with pretty low hours. I just knew another would never be found. The wife kept assuring me another would pop up. This one did. I latched on to it, and I ain’t letting it go.

Still working on the wife on the drive swap, but I think we’ll be moving on it.

Thanks. Brad.
Model Machine and Precision LLC
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Beautiful boat!

What ratio?

Moses,

1.5

Thanks. Brad.
Model Machine and Precision LLC
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Drive
 

U ready to sell

Baja,

Still working on the war department on spending the money on the replacement outdrive. Still hopeful, though.

If you're in immediate need, I probably won't be of any use to you. Even if we were ready to pull the trigger, we'd still have to wait on AADS to build us the replacement drive, which we obviously haven't initiated.

If you're looking for a back-up, and have some time, it will definitely be of some leverage on my end, in the conversation across the breakfast table over whether or not to actually make the upgrade. Let me know.

I started this thread kind of looking for a market value for the drive. I've obviously not really gotten any real advice on that here, but I've since made some phone calls and have a pretty good idea where I'd need to be. As initially stated, this is a swap-ready drive, in really good shape, not a rebuildable core.

I have a standing offer from Hilltop Marine at Lake Cumberland, who would do the swap if/when we move forward, to broker the drive to the first customer in need, should we move forward, and he expects to fetch around $4500 (half of new price), if/when that customer comes along.

You are free to make an offer in the mean time.

Thanks. Brad.
Model Machine and Precision LLC
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I may have a pair of low hour sept back XR's for sale, waiting on my trade in price against some IMCO's,

Brad, your overthinking IMO, just run the one you have until it quits. It may be a year from now, it may be 8. You say family, so when ya say that, I think a conservative wife and kids of who knows what ages.
I doubt you're going to hang that boat out and stress the drive too much with them on board.
Curious, does just the drive have 145 hours or the whole boat?
Lastly, doesn't AADS have some kind of exchange ordeal? Send them yours, get the modified one.

Cheech,

I hear ya. But….

Two reasons….

First, it’s a lot lower net cost if I buy a drive outright, then sell my drive swap-ready. I’ve already got a price for the rebuilt “new” drive from AADS, and a swap-ready drive is obviously WAY more valuable than a rebuildable core.

Second, I’d really like to not be stranded 30mi up the South Fork on Cumberland, with a sheared gear shaft, or whatever decides to give up. And I know my luck….

I don’t really intend to hammer the boat, even when it’s just the wife and I (or even the boys and I). There are definitely going to be times when the urge will hit, and I’ll likely answer that urge. I don’t ever intend to air the boat out, so there’s zero risk of landing it tached out. But, we do intend to use it as a ski boat (I rode a slalom behind my dad’s 27’ SeaRay, and my wife learned to ski behind it, at almost 1000lbs heavier and half the HP), and I know that puts a fair bit of strain on the systems. I’d just like to get ahead of it if I can.

The boat has about 153 hrs on it now. We bought it at 141.

Thanks. Brad.
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I really want you to get your modified drive.
First point I get.
Second, meh, Marine Assist is only 95 bucks a year. Stranded only shortly on Cumberland.
Otherwise the consignment ordeal, price wise with Hilltop is in line in IMO.

Not sure what you think your drive is worth but realistically probably around 3k.

i just spent $15k with AADS. Just rip the band-aid off

Moses,

Yeah. I kinda like being married. :hitfan:

Thanks. Brad.
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(937)545-8991

Cheech,

Depends on where you're stranded. My specific example, 30mi up the South Fork (where we spend most of our time), can easily be an all day tow. Plus the downtime between the potential failure and swap appointment.... Just rather avoid it all. I like preemptive repairs when I can arrange them.

Thanks. Brad.
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(937)545-8991

Griff,

That's why the brokering. Somebody comes in.... Drive spilled its guts. There's a ready-to-swap drive sitting on the floor, waiting on them.... A new one is $9K and at least a week or so away.... $4500 plus swap labor, and, potentially, back on the water in a day sounds pretty good to me if I'm in that position.

Don't really know. I'm a free market kinda guy.

Thanks. Brad.
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should close this thread. Either the drive is for sale or it isn’t…quit pu$$y farting around.

this isn’t an auction.

Moses,

I was very upfront about my intentions here.

I’m not trying to conduct an auction. I was/am trying to determine a real market value. I don’t even know if the drive is ever going to be for sale.

Sorry if this has come across inappropriately.

Thanks. Brad.
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NO disrespect to the OP, but if I was buying it, I would want to see the condition of the gears. A supercharged 496 can damage/break a Bravo 1 very easy.

no one even knows if this one is for sale…it’s a guessing game.

all the serious buyers are long gone by now…

UnderPSI,

No disrespect taken. I get it. But I can tell you, the boat has been babied. It has never been run hard. I really have to wonder why the original owner even had the install done. I almost never run it over zero manifold pressure, as I don’t want to hurt the drive.

Plus, let’s be honest. I think we can all agree the ProCharger isn’t a real supercharger. It only gets into its stride above about 37-3800RPM, which is long after the boat’s on a plane. This minimized the load on the drive during the heaviest load periods.

I don’t know if I’d be comfortable tearing the drive down in interest of selling it, but I’d be perfectly fine pulling the plug to allow inspection of the oil or going for a sea trial if a prospective buyer wanted. What’s the worst that could happen? A day on the water?

Thanks. Brad.
Model Machine and Precision LLC
(937)545-8991

Moses,

Why the daggers?

This drive will absolutely be for sale, when and if I can convince the wife it’s a a necessary swap (admittedly more difficult than I had anticipated). If I’m ultimately unable to convince her, and we have to wait until something gives out (something I’m actively working to avoid), then I’ll terminate this thread (or ask admin to do so. If we ultimately elect to do the swap, I will either update this thread as such or start a new thread.

As I stated, this thread’s sole purpose was to try and determine market value, and I was very upfront with that. The SwapShop seemed the perfect venue for that.

Thanks. Brad.
Model Machine and Precision LLC
937/545-8991

FWIW 0 vacuum is wot on a n/a engine. Damage can sure be done at the hp/torque rating.

UnderPSI,

WOT for a N/A 496HO is and advertised 425HP, which is within spec’d HP rating of a B1 drive. This is why I usually limit the throttle to zero manifold pressure.

Thanks. Brad.
Model Machine and Precision LLC
(937)545-8991

When the drive is actually for sale for sale, list it