High Performance alternative to a "tuner" or "chip" for diesels
 

I came across some info on this company today. It makes sense to me about diesels and how the chips and tuners are not that good for your diesels longevity. Here's a link to the website...read it and tell me what you guys think. I live close to this company, so I will check them out this week and get some more info

http://www.morepowerlessfuel.com

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I have heard of this one. I had already bought a Banks kit, it works well miliage improved about 2mpg. I still don't have the low end tourque that I am wanting. MY last Ford had the 7.3 and this 6.0 is short on the low end. I might also memtion that I have a standard trany so it make starting a load a little hard sometimes. Slipping the clutch to let bost pick up is the only way. Curious as to this ones ability to do this.. Will wait for your assesment..

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I sure would like to hear some facts from a consumer, less of a sales pitch. Doug

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I checked them out. It seems that a head engineer from GM retired and is the brains of this system. For some models, the truck takes a replacement cable for this upgrade...depends on the vehicle.

I have a 2005 GMC (Duramax/Allison combo) and there is NO wire to add onto your truck. You go into the engine compartment and remove a "chip" that the manufacturer installed in the truck and you overnight it to them....they make some mods and overnight it back to you. Downtime is 3 days on your truck.

When said and done, dealers will never know you have done this. They will have no idea you did anything to the truck and therefore will not void your warranty. They said they have purposely sent trucks into dealers to find a problem/run tests and they never know it's there. I think he said for the Dodge and Ford, it's a cable--he said that the Duramax is a very sofisticated motor.

I spoke to the owner, he said you will not see any black smoke and should see like 20% improvement in mileage!! That's pretty damm good. I think I will try it out.

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so no more power, just moves the power lower in the rpm range?... i will keep my controller and alot more power everywhere... i guess its another option out there for diesels which is always a good thing...

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Sean,
What this company is saying is that their power comes on earlier and is more useable. They also said that the chips and programmers peak power comes on at like 2,800-3,200 rpm...when a diesel is maxing rpm's. Most of the time your truck shifts before that, so you aren't using the power to the full potential.

I am going to try it since they give you a 60 day trial period if you don't like it. From doing a little research-- if you are using a programmer/chip, etc.... you are dumping more fuel into your motor. Yes, it's making more power, but you are using (wasting) fuel also and therefore reducing the engine life of your motor. These are facts.

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I emailed them, and immediately received a call back from Jan. She was very knowledgeable and friendly. Their device is friendly to use with other traditional diesel hop ups like intake, exhaust, and you can use other diesel (fuel dumping) tuners with this product as well. I may give it a shot as well.

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Gerard, check this out:

http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ubbt...=1#Post2828536

http://forgotton.net/mods/indexframe.html

Gotta love TDS!

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Thanks! I read those links. Problem is, who is going to solder the piece? Are they going to give you a 2 yr warranty? I personally wouldn't mess with this myself.
I am coming to realize that I am more concerened with my engine's "well being", most people just want the extra power...they don't care that these chips/tuners will take some life off your motor.

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for the less money, i rather have a controller that installs in less than an hour, makes more power, is adjustable plus gives me boost, rpm, and egt gauges plus defueling options to help the tranny out on shifts... all for less money than sending off a part of my truck, being down for 3 days, putting it back together and getting a little better low end power..

most controllers already do what you are wanting to do plus more... does it take life off the engine? probably, most power making options do, so its now a 200k-250k engine instead of 300k.. most of us won't keep the trucks that long anyway (plus the engines will outlast the trucks bolted to them anway)

i am not for sure, but i bet if i run on stage 1 (fuel mileage setting) of my edge, it is doing exactly what this thing does.... plus i get the rest of the benefits of the controller... just my .02 cents, i like the power too much too worry about the other stuff..... :D

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I don't agree, but that's ok. This product I'm looking at doesn't use more fuel...like the others do. I don't want to go back and forth with you on this. I just wanted to report to some people here on the board about this product. I am going to try it and see how it works.

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that's cool, it will be interesting to see the results.. :D

and just fyi, my truck uses "less" fuel now than when it did stock... :drink:

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I will let you guys know how it works out after I try it.

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Semper-Fi,

So how did you make out with the NEW CHIP for the Truck. I am anxious to know, I agree with you in theory on the product.

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Haven't tried it yet. You have to ship the piece from your truck for them to upgrade it and you have no vehicle for 3 days. I need to find the right time. I will do it soon, and I will keep everyone posted.

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Semper- no offense but your comments are a little over simplified.

Modern diesel engines are factory tuned for a lot of things- one of which being emissions. getting emissions means sacrificing performance parameters- timing, pulse/ duration on injectors etc.

most any add on diesel box or program ads power from low side, it just might not peak til the higher r's- this is usually more characteristic of the v-8's vs the inline 6 (Cummins) all the better boxes offer lower settings taking advantage of milder parameters with little or no extra fuel added. The extra fuel is not wasted- you just end up running the hill at 20% throttle vs 30% etc all else being equal.

The hole premise of a diesel- aside from the high compression is the huge variable window of adding air with boost and fuel to make the right amount of power for the given load/conditions.

About the only free ride is to bring timing back to a more aggressive (less emissions minded) parameter- there are several offering ways tyo do this, some very simple and cheap- but your gains are limited. again, the better boxes do this on lower settings. They also control when the extra fuel comes in so the smoke freaks can tune it in or I can keep the smoke off my towed toys.

Lots of smoke means you are diluting your engine oil with fuel to a point- so I'm not a fan there. Longevity of the engine sacrificed?? Not really- with the milder setups with good safegards- like Edge's Juice with Attitude. You only load the engine more when you actually use/make more power, not all the time- cruise is cruise and only uses a certain amount of fuel and air to get the job done.

Cruise at 80 with a 13' tall enclosed trailer (wind) loaded to 16k pulling Colorado passes and you are working it harder and shortening life- though it's hard to measure and put a number on it. I worry less with the Cummins as it 's such a detuned medium duty truck engine. pulling performance boats at speed is relatively easier cause of the aerodynamic factor- huge at faster speeds

Different strokes for different folks, if this mod works for you, great, but your scoop was misleading.

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What are you talking about?? I don't claim or didn't claim to be an expert about diesels. The info I have given here was all facts, from doing some reseach on the web and talking to these companies directly. The guy that is heading up the project for www.morepowerlessfuel.com was a head engineer at GM. I think he knows a thing or two about diesels.

What was misleading? All I did is say what the companies product is supposed to do. I was giving info and getting input from all this. Your "claim" is absolutely rediculous.

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I don't know about the fuel going into the oil part. You have to be absolutely stupid to think diesel fuel in your oil doesn't reduce the engine life over time. Good call on that one, mr know it all. :D By the way, where did you "cut and paste" all your diesel info from?

Gee, that's what I said earlier. The chips and tuners peak power comes on later in the rpm's , where the company that I was doing reseach on said their power came on alot earlier, making the power more usuable.

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Dude- sorry if I pressed your buttons- your mod you are pitching is amongst several very simple mild mods out there with limited returns.

Too much smoke/oil in the fuel is bad and easily avoidable witn good mild medium setups- you can easily do oil analysis to track this if you want to play with that fire- obviously, we both don't.

We can agree to disagree on whatever else and leave the implied name calling for the kids on the beach- k'??

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I wasn't "pitching" anything. I was merely letting people know of a new, little known product that is on the market. I didn't say it was the best, it is different. I was reporting to OSO people who are curious about this product. Name calling?- If the shoe fits, wear it :D


You cruise at 80mph with a 16K trailer behind you? Another smart move or suggestion on your part. :evilb:

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Semper did you ever end up trying this?

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Guys, we have over 200k on some of these diesels that are in my construction co. Everyone of these trucks have had one or the other (EDGE, QUADZILLA,PPE,BULLYDOG,and my favorite SCT Custom Tuned by ID) on them with little or 0 problems. They make my job easier, and when used properly will yeild better mileage and give you more power. Everything is relative, Good luck with your reserch, it is a rebadged Dr. Performance. Jeff

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jassman which of them would you recomend for a 7.3 psd? thx, rm

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best tune for the ford is SCT either off the shelf or get a custom if you want wild Ratman I will also give you a call tomorrow as well, just noticed your pm.

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I havent done any 7.3's, all 6.0-Fords, 6.6's-GM's since 01.

SCT-Ford or PPE for GM. Jeff

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Ratman, I did my 2002 7.3 with a Diablo tuner. that worked great! It has 3 settings 60hp econemy tune, 80hp (no towing),120hp(No towing and need 4" exhaust and guages). I used the 60hp tune. SWR F350, K&N air filter, Amsoil oil, 3.73 gears and 34"tall tires ( had speedo recalibrated for tires). My last 3000 miles had 21.4 average milage. Cruising 65 mph on expressway it was 23 or better.

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I have a BullyDog setup with Outlook from my last truck that I will sell you cheap. What year is your 7.3?

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This is the old way......chips!!!!!.....ya rite.......potatoe chips.......

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That is a great picture, when I was a kid my grandfather pulled a formula tri-hull with a 1966 Chrysler imperial.

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Actually, I haven't tried it. I sold my boat and not buying another one for a while. I am considering selling my truck as I don't need it anymore