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i was filling up yesterday and a new sticker was on the pump . it said it was illagal to put this fuel in 2007 and newer trucks and cars . what kind of bulll it this where is it going ? what are we going to be using ? i'm looking in to bio desel made at home ' what have you'll heard about this new fuel . and what is our gov screwing up now .

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I haven't seen nor heard anything yet but we ALL know ,if it can be screwed up the government the one that can do it :mad:

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mopower that is true they have fuldd up every thing elese .

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I was going to ask the same question after filling up today. I wonder what is up, and why these people keep screwing everything up...

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An even lower sulphur content diesel is on the way.. Makes ya wonder what we are going to burn in our "older" diesels??

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Yea these stickers have been up at 80% of the pumps I go to :rolleyes: What really pisses me off is most stations charge more then 93 oc price for there diesel :mad:

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Yeah , remember when diesel was cheap

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what does lower sulfer fuel mean to the average guy?

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more money out of your pocket, less power out of your engine

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Supposed to be no sulphur diesel or clean diesel as they call it overseas. It is supposed to be OK for older diesels but does anyone remember the mid 90's when they changed to low sulphur what happened?
Many injection pumps failed due to lack of lubrication from the sulphur.

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Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel is coming soon.
What it means is that older vehicles are fvkked if they run the ULS fuels. There is virtually no lubrication in ULS fuel, and you'd have to use additives.

The sticker means that the fuel at that pump is not ULS fuel, and should not be run in '07 and later vehicles that are designed to run ULS diesel.

It begs the question, will there be two grades supplied or will everyone with older vehicles have to perform upgrades at the whim of the EPA? :mad:

There's some good discussion here with some links:
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=494060

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The new fuel has 15 ppm (parts per million) sulfur and the current on road fuel has 500 ppm. The reason for the new fuel is all the after treatment exhaust products that are being used on the 2007 new class A trucks. You can run this fuel in any diesel with out any problems. I personally have done about 1000 hours of testing on this fuel in all types of diesels engines with no differences when compared to the current fuels.

Don

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Low sulfur diesel is way less polluting and has much less smell to it.

Should not mean any change in power output on a 2006 diesel, however the new regs for diesels Jan 2007 on will mean up to 200 lbs in additional emission controls and may well reduce power output in the near future.

If you are looking for a new diesel then buying a late 2006 or early 2007 truck would be a good idea.

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What about lubricity? Everything I've read is indicating that the new ULS fuels could lead to premature failure of pumps and injectors on older diesels?

Thanks.

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From Chevron's Website:

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There are several diesel fuel properties other than sulfur that will change as a result of moving to S15 (ULSD).

* Lubricity:Lubricity is a measure of the fuel's ability to lubricate and protect the various parts of the engine's fuel injection system from wear.The processing required to reduce sulfur to 15 ppm also removes naturally-occurring lubricity agents in diesel fuel. To manage this change the American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) adopted the lubricity specification defined in ASTM D975 for all diesel fuels and this standard went into effect January 1, 2005.
* The D975 specification is based on the High Frequency Reciprocating Rig (HFRR) test (D 6079) and requires a wear scar no larger than 520 microns.


* Energy Content:In general, the processing required to reduce sulfur to 15 ppm also reduces the aromatics content and density of diesel fuel, resulting in a reduction in energy content (BTU/gal).
* The expected reduction in energy content is on the order of 1% and may affect fuel mileage.


* Cetane Number:In general, the processing required to reduce sulfur to 15ppm also reduces the aromatics content resulting in an increase to the cetane number.



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# How will S15 (ULSD) affect my fuel system seals?

Chevron is not sure whether the transition to S15 (ULSD) in 2006 will affect fuel system elastomers (e.g., O-rings). Any change will depend on the elastomer material and age, as well as the change in seal swell characteristics of the particular fuel being used, relative to the fuel the vehicle has been using. Experience in transitioning to S500 (500 ppm) in 1993 suggests end-users should be proactive. Specifically, maintenance records should be reviewed to ensure that fuel system elastomer seals have been changed out at recommended intervals with recommended materials.

Please refer to our technical bulletin Fuel Links from Seals of Vehicles using Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel for additional information.

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I don't think it will effect anything. I used to work for Donaldson Company Inc. as a test engineer in the exhaust development division. We had four dyno's running 24/7 365 days a year. one was a 2001 5.9 cummins, one was a 1998 CAT 3126. another one was a cummins L10. The last one was a 2007 CAT C7 accert. We ran ULSD 15ppm through all of them using the stock injection systems with no lubrication additives and never had any problem. School bus fleet and garabage trucks in CA have been running this fuel for years with no problems. Now nation wide I know of at least 100 other areas that have been running it for at least 12 months with no problems.

Don't worry about it.
Don

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I took this pic with my camera phone at Murphy ( Wal-Mart)

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dgduck how about bio desel . there is a guy here close by that is making it and running in his ford desel older model. with the banks turbo kit on it loves it .. any advice on it .

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Thanks. Makes me feel better. :)

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Bio diesel is kind of a black art..... it all depends on who is making it. If it is comming from the refinery then you will have no problems what so ever. If it is being made by the local farmer, you might want to be careful. I haven't heard of any horror stories yet but the possiblity is there if the chemicals are not mixed right. If you live in a cold weather climate watch out for gelling.

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If you have a Class A truck with after treatment products (Some 2001 through 2006 and all 2007 or newer) be careful with any additives that you are adding to your fuel. These chemical once burned can react with the DOC (Diesel oxidation catalyst) or DPF (Diesel particulate filter) casuing a reaction that will plug these products. This can be very costly and lead to down time.

Here is a link to alot of good info about the new products going on diesel trucks.

http://www.donaldson.com/en/exhaust/emission/index.html

Don

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Thats correct, even the most amateur trash can version of biodiesel can get by in the warmer months, but if it gets cold, that back yard version of biodiesel will clump. A few companies (smaller) are researching biodiesel, but its too expensive for most to get into the game, the big guys like procter and gamble who have the experience with the palm oils used to make a refinery based biodiesel, are making too much converting the palm into soaps and detergent to limit their feedstocks by making biodiesel, the smaller companies involved right now are using skid mounted units to produce biodiesel, and its not going so well for them. Pretty soon some one with the correct knowledge wil get the government grant, instead of ma and paw clampett, who are currently getting the 1-40million dollar grants to make trash can punch. When that happenns, you will see an explosion of the biodiesel market. The european countries are already using a 2% if not more biodiesel mix in their diesel fuel.

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spk1 i have a friend useing it in his ford desel and loving it right now . he is using biodesel solution , way of making it and it working . you know any thing about that all info would be welcom thanks robbie .