Tailpipe fires on 6.4 liters
 

Tailpipe fires force recall of Ford trucks

Ford Motor Co . ordered dealers to stop selling new 2008 F-series Super Duty pickups equipped with the 6.4-liter diesel engine and is recalling 8,400 of the vehicles after a few trucks experienced tailpipe fires as a result of fuel or oil entering the exhaust system. Ford said the problem is rare and has only occurred in a few vehicles with damaged engines or turbochargers. None of the vehicles was destroyed by the problem, and there have been no reports of accidents or injuries, though it is blamed for one small roadside grass fire in Texas. Ford says the problem is being corrected by updating the truck's software.

from Detroit News 3/22/07

Not good!!!:(

That's not a good start...

Have 2 call my dealer I have the new SD ordered w/ & give'm some CHIT!!:(

correcting software is another way of saying ...De-tuning...drove 1 the other day...awesome awesome truck

Hell, flames out of the pipe might be kind of cool at night. :cool:

But seriously, bummer. How is so much fuel getting into the exhaust.?

They are saying it's due to leaking injectors

That ain't good!!:(

Nobody but nobody wants a "leaky injector"!!!:eek:

Went to my local dealer yesterday. The Ford PowerStroke Tour truck and trailer was there, they had give away items, food etc.

I was excited about seeing and maybe driving the new 6.4, but they would not let anyone drive them, would not start them up, nor even unlock the door.

They said they were just for display at that time and I could make an appointment to come back for a test drive.

I thought this was very strange as did others there. Maybe this is the reason?

Nice looking truck and what I learned about the 6.4 impressed me. Personally I'm glad my 7.3 is low mileage. I'll let someone else prove to me that the 6.4 is going to work. I sure hope it does and Ford gets back on top of their game.

another Navistar experiment already going wrong and there isn't even one in a consumer's driveway yet.

Consumer as Beta tester. Ford's forte'

they've been on road here for a few weeks...neighbor got his 2 weeks ago

Tell me this isn't so:eek: 42MTI ordered a new one and will pick it up Monday(I hope). I am supposed to leave for Sarasota in it Wednesday.

Ford halts sale of F-series diesel trucks, citing tailpipe flames

WASHINGTON -- Ford Motor Co. today told dealers to temporarily stop selling certain 2008 F-series Super Duty diesel pickups after receiving reports of flames shooting out of the vehicle's tailpipe.

Ford said it was recalling 37,400 F-Series Super Duty trucks with 6.4-liter diesel engines. The majority of the pickups _ 29,000 _ were still on dealer lots, the automaker said.

Ford spokesman Dan Jarvis said it received three reports of flames coming from the truck's tailpipe, caused by leaking fuel that ignited in the exhaust system's diesel particulate filter near the tailpipe.

"It's really something that we noticed early on and we're moving swiftly to fix the problem," Jarvis said.

There have been no injuries or vehicle fires connected to the recall. There has been one report of a grass fire in Texas that was quickly extinguished, he said.

Jarvis said the flames could only occur in engines with leaking fluids, which he said was very rare. Two of the complaints involved leaking fuel injectors and the other involved leaks coming from a crack in the turbocharger shaft.

The automaker will have dealers upgrade software for the powertrain control module, which will power down the engine under higher-than-expected temperatures in the diesel particulate filter. Similar software updates will take place at the Louisville, Ky., plant where the trucks are built.

Jarvis said the stop sale order should only last a few days as dealers reprogram the software. Owners of the remaining 8,400 trucks will be notified about the recall in early April and will be able to have the software upgrade at no charge.

In a separate action, fewer than 10,000 of the trucks will have the battery cable rerouted to avoid chafing against a shield in the engine compartment that prevents water and mud from getting into the engine.

Ford said the recall does not affect gasoline-powered pickups or those with 6.0-liter or 7.3-liter diesel engines.
Here is why Ford motors are no longer put in boats...sorry,had to:drink:

Déjà vu All Over Again

Mine works great....No fires yet...

I've had mine since Jan. It's a great truck. This is a Powerstroke problem not a Ford deal. Lay off Ford.

Don’t blame Ford or International, Blame the EPA. Look under your new trucks See that lovely DPF (diesel Particulate filter) and DOC (diesel oxidation catalyst)? There is your problem. Leaking injectors? Well if that’s the case where the injector is leaking into the combustion chamber then the motor would be toast. At 5k-29k PSI of fuel a leak would be like a blow torch at the tip of the injector- I am sure that’s not the problem. Anyway back to the DPF, it requires a temp of 550 degrees C to do a regeneration (burning the trapped soot and turning it to ash) in order to do that they do what call a hydrocarbon dosing of the DOC and light it off (this is the last chance method to do a regen. And there is plenty of warning). If it goes in to Regen in any area that a fire could start, like in a dry field, look out. There should be a switch that allows you to do a park regen in a safe area. Again the EPA is not going to let the truck run forever with out doing this so it will start on its own. As for calibrations again look past ford and international and right to the problem….Seaman, they are responsible for the injectors the computers and the kernel software. I am betting a recal fixs this problem. I am sure there will be more issues with this after treatment systems. For us and every one else....


PS….that DPF, about a 150k mile life, then it will need to be changed out. I think the last price I heard was $3000-$5000 exchange. Just wait till 2010…….

Is the Duramax having this problem???:evilb:

I cant find the info, but in order to go into regen the vehicle has to be travelling at a certain highway speed for a given amount of time. If I can find the specs I'll post them later.

You are 100% right. It's the same basic problem everyone had with the cats. on the gas motors in the early 80's. What makes it worse is Ford & Powerstroke are in a pissing match over warrenty work on the 6.0's.

:d

I dont know what Strategy GM/Isuzu/Bosch is using perform Regeneration in the DPF but it will be some where close. Duramax and the Powerstroke are running the same type of fuel system Just GM’s is from Bosch, Ford's is Seamans. I wish we would have used Bosch as they were going to but…….

I have a Powerstroke spec book and system overview International did for Ford. Nothing mentioned about after treatment.

How cool is this? Flames out the tail pipe without having to rig up a spark plug there to ignite it!

On the biger trucks with wead burner exhaust, they have a "Heat Mitgation" on the tail pipe to try and cool it down. You could see temps near 1400 deg. That could toast your weenie for ya.

even though its a ford problum and im a chevy guy, i really think its a very minor very small number of vehicles involved,and yes its a gov/epa/treehugger problum,,everything ive read says its related to some leaking or defective injectors

I hope this doesn't contribute to global warming.

I hope it does, longer boating season!

Picking my new DMax up next week. The system, as you said is very close to the Ford system.

It will be intersting to see what the after market companies, ie. Banks, Bullydog, Edge do to the new trucks.

Sam

What kind of mileage and gears is everyone running with these.
I just picked up a F-450 with 4.88's. It's getting about 9 mpg, and tops out at 82 MPH. I'm gonna have to change something, probably start with gears. Just wondering if anyone with the 4.30's are getting any better.

Hope you took hotdogs. When taking a highway break you can roast the hotdogs on the flames.:D

Holy Crap. We have a pre production 4300 (international) with out a box with a 6.4 that is getting 18!

Bring back the 7.3 PROBLEM SOLVED!!!:D