hehehe you funny . hook that durachock to a cummins and see what happins . your ifs will bust in to peices .

Since this has never been tested (that I'm aware of), I would venture to say that the Dodge tranny would blow up before the IFS on the Duramax. :evilb:

(This thread is turning into a classic computer jocky war, complete with vague generalities and opinions. Just thought I'd participate.)

Your Ford diesel was in large part designed by and in order to use Siemens injection technology, Siemens is a German corporation that has been investigated on account of it's prohibited Nuclear technology turning up in Iran and Iraq.

Gm bought a share of Isuzu in part to access some of Isuzu's design features for it's diesels. Isuzu never built the Duramax. It is built by Duramax corp in MORAINE, OH formerly a joint venture between GM and Isuzu.

Both GM and Dodge rely heavily on Bosch injection technology for their latest offerings. Bosch is another German Corp.

GM's new 4.5-liter V-8 Duramax small block design will be built in TONAWANDA, N.Y.

Id buy a Chevy diesel if they put a Cat in it.
No questions asked

Cat has just signed a deal to build it's small and medium diesel engines in CHINA. http://www.americanmachinist.com/304...e/False/70551/

Besides a Cat would be noisier and less powerful than a Duramax most likely.

GM didnt need isuzu for the help. They own Detroit diesel.
Yes the japs sold the ruskies quite prop tech in the 80s for their nuc subs also.

Yes..we all know I am the biggest jap hater...but boy...can they make more power than them all..funny...when you get into them...seems like alot of american tech in there....nothing even seems jap...nothing...weird....I really love the valve train...like a duplicate of jessel...I have heard from the higher ups in this world of d max kings that the motor was built from american engineers....I am going to verify this info...I am curiuos.....crappin japs probably did use american engineering to produce it...then sell it back to us...but still....I know for a fact that they totally will surpass any of the others for power when tuned hard...insane!

One year later, GM and Isuzu formed a joint venture for the development and production of the 6.6 liter Duramax Diesel.
The Duramax 6600 Turbo Diesel was the product to meet a rather bold goal.

That goal was to design, build, and deliver the most powerful diesel engine for use in a full size, light duty pickup truck.
Today, General Motors' new line of heavy-duty pickup trucks are consistently increasing diesel engine market share. The Duramax 6600 Turbo Diesel was voted as one of "Ward's Communications" 10 best engines for the year 2001.





The Duramax Diesel 6600 is produced in Moraine, Ohio. The GM / Isuzu relationship is growing stronger daily, with a commitment from both companies to remain dedicated to continually improving the quantity and quality of GM diesel powered pickup trucks. In terms of diesel engine production, Isuzu is poised to become the dominant diesel engine provider in North America.

When it comes to diesel engines, General Motors relies on Isuzu to provide the most technologically advanced diesel power. The introduction of the new Duramax Diesel 7800 is showing the world that together they can design and build competitive, powerful, and reliable diesel engines for use around the world.

GM is committed to using Isuzu diesel power in all its trucks. Offering an additional advantage for GM customers of "One Stop Shopping" for all parts, service, maintenance, and repairs. The GM dealer is certified, equipped, and ready to handle all Isuzu maintenance, repair, and service needs.

http://shadetreemechanic.com/duramax_diesel.htm

Just more and more propaganda. If we keep buying it. They will keep selling it. All day long.

Sam wrote that in 2001 I think, doesn't change the fact that GM owns 60% to Isuzu's 40

Here is something a little more up to date

2/5/08

GM's press release below:

General Motors Corp. (GM) announced today an investment of $69 million in its DMAX plant in Moraine to manufacture a new Duramax 6.6-liter V-8 turbo diesel engine that will meet stringent emissions standards in 2010. DMAX Limited is a joint venture between GM and Isuzu Motors Limited and was established as a diesel engine company in 1998.

The investment includes renovations to the plant, new machinery and tooling to support manufacturing of the new diesel engine. Renovations are expected to begin immediately. As a result of the investment, the DMAX plant will retain over 1,000 jobs.

"GM is transforming its committed to continuing to product portfolio to reduce fuel consumption and emissions across its portfolio and around the world., and the 2010 Duramax diesel is an integral part of that transformation, as well as a component of GM's strategy to diversify vehicle energy sources," said John Buttermore, GM Powertrain vice president of global manufacturing. "This new investment demonstrates GM's commitment to continue to invest in technologies that reduce the impact of our vehicles on the environment, while maintaining performance attributes required by customers in the areas of towing and hauling loads."

Today's announcement brings GM's total investment in the State of Ohio to more than $1 billion over the last two years.

"Our investment in the DMAX joint venture is a significant vote of confidence in our employees and IUE-CWA Local 797, who have demonstrated their commitment and dedication to benchmark performance in safety, quality and efficiency required in today's competitive business climate," continued Buttermore. "This joint venture is one of GM’s great examples great example of what can be achieved with a successful global partnership and I extend my appreciation to the leadership of Isuzu for their commitment to the success of this operation."

Buttermore also thanked Ohio's leaders on the federal, state, county and local levels, including Ohio Governor Ted Strickland, Lt. Governor Lee Fisher and the Ohio Department of Development, Montgomery County Board of Commissioners and Moraine Mayor Leonard Johnson, for providing the business case to support GM's investments in Ohio.

"General Motors' continuing investment in its Ohio manufacturing base demonstrates the strength of our partnership and Ohio's competitive business climate," said Ohio Governor Ted Strickland. "I commend GM for investing in our state and the technologies that put Ohio at the forefront of clean vehicle manufacturing."

The 2010 model year 6.6-liter V-8 Duramax diesel will use a selective catalytic reduction NOx after-treatment system with a diesel particulate filter to help achieve the 2010 Tier 2 Bin 5 and LEV 2 emissions standards, and it will be compliant in all 50 states.

GM first introduced the Duramax diesel in the U.S. in the 2001 model year, and since then customer enthusiasm for this heavy-duty diesel has been outstanding. In fact, GM's heavy-duty pickup truck market share has jumped nearly tenfold in the seven years that Duramax engines have been offered.

The award-winning Duramax 6.6-liter V-8 is a four-valve high pressure common rail direct injection diesel currently equipped with a diesel particulate filter to meet the stringent 2007 emissions requirements. Available in GM's Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra heavy-duty pickups, the engine delivers a segment-leading 365 horsepower (272 kW) and 660 lb.-ft. of torque (895 Nm). It is also offered with increased power and torque for the Chevy Kodiak and GMC TopKick medium-duty applications. Versions are available with 300 horsepower and 520 lb.-ft of torque, as well as a new 330-horsepower option with 620 lb.-ft. of torque. The Duramax is also available in GM's full-size vans, Chevrolet Express and GMC Savana.

In the DMAX joint venture with Isuzu Motors Ltd., GM owns 60 percent and Isuzu 40 percent. The 584,000-square foot DMAX plant employs 1,195 hourly and salaried employees with annual production near 200,000 engines. Hourly employees are represented by the IUE-CWA Local 797. In April 2007, DMAX produced its one millionth Duramax diesel engine.

Great info Mark....another great thing about the D-max is that it is paired the the awesome Allison trans too!!

Here my duramax. My tojo also has a izsuz diesel I mean duramax in it. It gets 36 mpg down hill 65 on the floor. Wont get out of its own way.
Got to get a duramax sticker for it.

Time To Bs
 

BLAH BLAH BLAH....Whatever!!
Powerstroke Rules!!!

While I can admit I would prefer a solid front axle, every other aspect of the truck is better IMO than the other two. Dodge apparently likes to stick with their 4 speed transmission, when ford and chevy both have 5 and 6 speeds. New dodge 6 speed is nice, but 6.7 have been having issues, not to mention its very different from its predecessor. Then theres the whole dodge part. The trucks just do not hold up as well as ford or chevy. Just look at whats left on the road, my 2000 ford is superior to the dodge.

Ford makes a damn nice truck, heavy duty solid work truck. The problem is the 6.0l, and now 6.4 have issues. International's vt365 runs great, ford's power stroke version has problems, mainly due to ford's trying to get more power out of them than they should. The vt365 does have VGT problems like the 6.0l.

Now the duramax has injector issues till 2004.5, then very rare but highly publicized over heating problems in the lly (04.5-05), and practically no issues with the current LBZ or lmm. The new emissions power plant is very similar to the previous model year, to the point where removing the DPF and adding a chip gives you an 06. However, it is illegal. Even stock they run great.

THANK YOU I agree
Enough with all the rice burner propaganda. Have you driven a Ford lately.
BYRDMAN is that speedo in a airplane. Darn thing starts at 50

Really? They must have recently bought it back from the Germans over at Daimler who bought it from Penske years ago. :evilb:

Oh, and GM doesn't own Allison anymore either. ;)

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=121479

Which Powerstroke would that be? The 7.3? The 6.0? The 6.4???

Personally, I'd go with the 7.3 as it was a much better engine than the ones that followed. The standard heated tailgate option on the latter models should be a dead giveaway. :angry-smiley-038:

Powerstrokes Rule!!
 

All THREE! I have put a million miles combined on all 3; 99' F350-7.3, 00' F550-7.3, 05' F350-6.0, 08' F350-6.4; all trucks have never had a problem and still pull the snot out of anything I hook up to. My F550 w/a mild chip has weighed in @ the scales at 28k, full of roofing debris. My 08' is so quiet, smooth & unbelievably comfortable hauling over 15k; I am very satisfied with all the PSD's.
My .02

chevys are for pickle smoochers......:Whatever:

SO YOU MUST HAVE A WHOLE GARAGE FULL THEN! :D

I think we will bicker over the toyota chevy dodge and ford then nissian next. With the rice lovers. Still I think an izsuz motor in an american icon chevy truck. IS AN EMBARRASSMENT and a slap in the face to the american worker and the american public.

The engine is made in the USA!

How far can you take this? Ford/Mazda.. did you forget so fast? Dodge/mitsubishi. How about the bosch injectors in every American gas engine, oh wait.. they certainly shouldn't have the French owned BFG tires!!

As far as i like its still a free county. When I hear Ricesubishi makes me think Zero, Pearl Harbor, Injectors are a little different than complete engine. I can live with a little. And i buy Goodyear. Dont have an izsuz in my trucks do you.

Nope, I have a Dmax. About 20 years ago a Peral Harbor veteran pulled up to the boat dock in his new Lexus with his Pearl Harbor Verteran license plate. He never saw the irony of it until I asked him about it.

No, right now I have an international t-444E in my truck. After this winter I'll be driving the duramax.

It is a free country and you have your opinion.

I can't understand that line of thinking anymore myself though, everything is so globalized that it doesn't matter. Half of the Ford trucks are made in mexico.

???

T-444E is the ford powerstroke 7.3l.

I can't find it, just spent a half hour searching. There was an article about a hotshot hauling company that was only hiring chevys to minimize the down time from ford problems.

If your on the highway you can also verify this by looking. Look at all the car haulers and hotshot guys, more and more are chevys.

Keep thinging it doesent matter anymore. Thats what they want everyone to think.

We know what chevy's are for:evilb::p

Off topic, but I lost a brake caliper bolt on my ford on a Sunday with nothing open. My buddy came and towed me home with, you guessed it, a chevy. I should have taken pics :)

Yeah, well I've towed 2 Freightliners loaded to 80k up a couple of iced over roads in Raleigh, NC....I wish I had pics for the pickle smoochers!

Talk, talk, this is a Freightliner toter home I pulled out of the mud at the NHRA Spring Nationals last year:p

My truck will pull you & the toter....UPHILL!!
LOL

2004 duramax, I pulled my 28 cat from Medford oregon to tulsa OK, I had no problems with the cruise at 75 and 80 MPH. It has 100K with no trips to the shop. I went to change the brake pads at 80K and they looked new.

New HD brakes
 

I guess they all have figured out how to make pads last...my 05' F350 has 94k miles and the brakes are still like new also; 33% of the time I used the truck to tow either the boat, a 12.5k dump trailer or 14k bobcat/trailer.

That was a freightliner now its a camper, not much to brag about. I guess you chevy guys will buy a Harley with a honda motor next and be proud. It would more than likley pull more get better mpg never break down, and it would sell for more than it cost new. Chevy with a izsuz motor :Whatever:

I'm a harley guy too.. but how do you justify 18-19k out the door for a nicely option fatboy, vs. the same for the Ducati 1098 super bike, the most beautifull sport bike ever made. Which has more technology? Hell, harley is a 1900's engine design, updated a bit, but still just two cylinders from a rotorey aircraft engine. Again, I love harleys, but damn its hard to justify.

I like dogs.:party-smiley-004:

I used to swear by the Cummins but the new duramax with the 6 speed tranny is a hoss! We don't keep our's very long, but all of the 06's, 07's and the 08's that I have driven have towed very strong. One trooper pulled me over going so fast with 30,000lbs on it that he didn't believe that I was going that fast. We have seen a lot of people trade in the 08 fords due to MPG problems on the power strokes.

MPG problems?
 

[30,000lbs on it that he didn't believe that I was going that fast. We have seen a lot of people trade in the 08 fords due to MPG problems on the power strokes.[/QUOTE]

My 08' F350 has 26k miles now & is getting 14.5 around town & almost 17 highway(@75mph)....for a truck as powerful, torquey and comfortable as the Super Duty that mileage is fine by me!
It ain't no Jetta!

My 08' F350 has 26k miles now & is getting 14.5 around town & almost 17 highway(@75mph)....for a truck as powerful, torquey and comfortable as the Super Duty that mileage is fine by me!
It ain't no Jetta![/QUOTE]

thats alot better mpg than the 08 DirtyMax I just sold :angry-smiley-038: