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Yamaha 225 08-25-2008 05:49 PM

What brake controller???
 
Hi guys, I am a norwegian boat guy who need some help.. I wonder if it is possible to use a controller for electric over hydraulic brakes for several different trailers? I do powerboats as a life bread, and need to move many different trailers. Some have electric over hydraulic brakes, and then I need a brake controller. What to buy? Most of the trailers have a "BrakeRite" white box on the tongue.

This system is non-existent in europe.....

Thank you for your input!!

Erik

US1 Fountain 08-25-2008 06:26 PM

I just installed the 'MaxBrake' controller for my BrakeRite equiped trailer. Supposed to be the newest and best type of controller on the market now. No more adjusting for different loads or different trailers. Works for straight electric and elec/hyd. It works off your actual truck brake line pressure. It is calibrated to your truck, not the trailer in tow. All the reviews I read for it from RV message boards give it outstanding marks.

http://www.maxbrake.com/

Yamaha 225 08-27-2008 05:47 PM

Thanks a lot US1. Please correct me if I understand this wrong. ( I just need to know how thisworks with el over hydr brakes.)

1) Boat trailer has hydraulic brakes to be able to be submerged.
2) The pressure in the line is not activated by a surge coupler, but from a solenoid valve which get signals from a single power cable and has also a reservoire.
3 The car gives a higher/lower voltage from the brake controller to gradually increase/decrease the pressure in the line via the solenoid valve.

Where do you hook up the cables from the brake controller to the socket on the bumber? My truck has for sure a "tow-package", but I havent heared anything about a main power cable to te brakes..?

I am VERY thankful for input!

THANX

fossil fuel 08-27-2008 06:00 PM

What kind of truck ?

US1 Fountain 08-27-2008 07:11 PM

Yes, you got the idea as far as operation.

Depending on the truck, but many such as Fords, Chevys that have the tow package are prewired for a brake controller. The wiring is already done from the dash to the bumper plug. Usually there will be an empty plug under the dash (may have to remove a dash panel to access it) that a controller simply plugs into. Most controllers can be purchased with a truck make and model specific, wire harness to simply plug in. It's that easy, usually. Check the owners manual for your 2002 GMC dually for location of this plug, or someone here can point the way.


The Brakerite box you see mounted on the tongue is a hyd pump. I assume this is what you are calling the solenoid valve??? Like you stated, it works off the variable line voltage from the truck brake controller. The trailers large round 7 wire plug will be wired to the BrakeRite unit and a breakaway battery/switch and the trailer lights.

This is all USA normal, I assume no different in Norway.

I just did a test run/pull of my trailer last nite with the Maxbrake controller. It is sweet!
Bye Bye to the old technology brake controllers. ;)

jayhawk261 08-27-2008 07:22 PM

Tekonsha P3. It has a setting for electric/hydraulic and works like a dream. I think you'll find that once some people chime in on this thread that a lot of them are using it with great success.

MahopacMarine 08-27-2008 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by jayhawk261 (Post 2666235)
Tekonsha P3. It has a setting for electric/hydraulic and works like a dream. I think you'll find that once some people chime in on this thread that a lot of them are using it with great success.


Tekonsha P3 is absolutely the best we have used so far. Settings for every trailer type, easy to use and install. If you order the P3 order the plug and play kit for your vehicle.

Good luck

Yamaha 225 08-28-2008 07:14 PM

It is fun to leasn all this! Yes, it is a 2002 GMC dually wih a Denali styling package. I guess I have the nicest truck in the whole orld! Haha. I drove a 47 Lightning the other day with surge brakes,, but the brakes didnot work.... No problem really, but things sould be in order. I need the break controller soon.

What about the brakes on a typical goose neck boat trailer. Is that also el over hydraulic? Anything to think about when ordering a goos neck?? We have soon sold a new 47. I thyink it looks much cooler with a gooseneck trailer... But are there any disadvantages with that compared to a regular trailer? Do they tend to require wider road with in turns? (that is a problem here over the mountain roads)

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!

PJDiesel 08-28-2008 07:24 PM

Prodigy, night and day difference between this model and the older "pendulum" style.

fossil fuel 08-28-2008 08:27 PM

Goose neck trailers "cheat" into the turn tighter than a standard hitch. A gooseneck pulls and handles nicer on every other point though. Electric over Hyd Disc is the only way to go when you submerge the axles. All elect will rot much faster. Driftwood trailers out of Texas is making a nice Gooseneck. David will make you a Deal.

Uncle Dave 08-28-2008 09:47 PM

I like my Prodigy
Tekonhsa is good as well.
Max Brake sounds interesting, Im gonna take a look.


I have a prodigy on my Titan for the toy hauler works great, fully digital easy to tune. towing 9K with a 1/2 ton pickup no issues braking.

Uncle Dave

Laveycraft 2750 Ilmor 710
Laveycraft 20.8 Sebring 406 SB
Fleetwood nitrous toy hauler
Yamaha raptor 700/Kawi KFX 450
Nissan Titan

aTX427 09-02-2008 02:27 PM

My standard Prodigy works fine with the Titan BrakeRite II.

Dock Holiday 09-02-2008 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by US1 Fountain (Post 2663466)
I just installed the 'MaxBrake' controller for my BrakeRite equiped trailer. Supposed to be the newest and best type of controller on the market now. No more adjusting for different loads or different trailers. Works for straight electric and elec/hyd. It works off your actual truck brake line pressure. It is calibrated to your truck, not the trailer in tow. All the reviews I read for it from RV message boards give it outstanding marks.

http://www.maxbrake.com/

I second that!

The best controller I have ever used. I gave my P3 away.

No Adjustment SMOOTH!!!!!!!!!

US1 Fountain 09-02-2008 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2671973)
I second that!

The best controller I have ever used. I gave my P3 away.

No Adjustment SMOOTH!!!!!!!!!


It was your posts that lead me to the Maxbrake over the P3. Thanks!

Dock Holiday 09-03-2008 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by US1 Fountain (Post 2672095)
It was your posts that lead me to the Maxbrake over the P3. Thanks!

You are welcome.

I'm glad you are as pleased with it as I am.

I just bought a new toy hauler for the Harley and set it up for that trailer in one minute and it worked as nice and smooth with it as the Myco.

Well worth the money.

US1 Fountain 09-04-2008 08:56 AM

Dock, what make of truck are you using?
I was checking my line connections and felt a small wettness.

After close inspection, it was appearant that the tee fitting shipped with the controller is for a 1/4" line. My Ford truck has 3/16 lines, so the flare joint DOES NOT seal correctly. In fact, it doesn't seal on the taper, but on the tip by flattening the end of the tees flare. I removed the tee and looked at the flare inside the female end of the tee and the tip of it is flatened because the line isn't large enough to fit over the taper.
I found the website for that tee and it is made for a 1/4" brake line pass thru with a 3/16 take off. The one shipped with my controller is pt # 7904. (will be stamped on the side of the tee) The correct one for my Ford is #7933. Napa has them in stock.

Please check yours out as it could lead to chit going bad real quick.

http://www.imperialinc.com/pdf/Section_F.pdf#page=6
'scroll down to F6'

Dock Holiday 09-04-2008 09:01 AM

US1

I'm running a 2002 Ford F350 PSD.

Thanks for the heads up I will check it out right away because I am leaving to take the boat up to Ohio to have some work done this afternoon.

Dock

Z06 09-05-2008 06:52 AM

MaxBrake

Yamaha 225 09-08-2008 11:48 AM

The plugs are different in US and Europe. Norway has in its turn another plug... the only problem is that trailers must be not longer than 12 meters, and of it is a gooseneck, it also have to have ABS on the trailer!! Makes me sick... No US trailers have registrations here as they have not "type-approved" brakes and lights. I am working on this and have the got registrations on my South Florida Trailer.


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