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BowenCT 04-21-2010 12:50 PM

Excursion market
 
Ford/Excursion guys, this one's for you....

I've never owned a Ford, but am considering an Excursion. I've been perusing the Excursion market over the last couple weeks. I would consider any year diesel, preferably a 7.3, but wouldn't rule out a 6.0 by any means.

First thing I am noticing is that the majority of these things have tons of miles. Secondly, the pricing is all over the map! I'm not totally against one with some miles as long as it has been maintained.

Any tips on where to look? What should I expect to pay? EBay, as mentioned before has examples all over the place with no rhyme or reason behind pricing. Gas versions more than diesels, low mileage examples less than high mileage trucks, XLTs more than Eddie Bauers, etc., etc., etc!! Same thing with AutoTrader, no consistancy at all.

Thanks for any help!

mwdill 04-21-2010 01:14 PM

i have noticed that to, got a 03 6.0 and love will keep it till the frame falls apart!
the diesels price fell when diesel was 4.25 a gallon, but they now seem to be bringing more, would definitely be the one to buy just for resale value, finding one with low miles does seem to be tough,
good luck!

Sydwayz 04-21-2010 01:19 PM

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I know Will loves his '03/6.0L, but it's the only one I would stay away from.

IMHO, go with the 7.3L and let the leaf spring front suspension be good enough for you; or step directly into a 2005 with the coil springs and 6.0L.

LapseofReason 04-21-2010 01:34 PM

I have an 01 with all the 05 headlights and stuff, lot's of mods and 124k and no problems.

LapseofReason 04-21-2010 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 3092762)
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I know Will loves his '03/6.0L, but it's the only one I would stay away from.

IMHO, go with the 7.3L and let the leaf spring front suspension be good enough for you; or step directly into a 2005 with the coil springs and 6.0L.

They didn't change the Ex with the F on the front springs.

BowenCT 04-21-2010 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by LapseofReason (Post 3092777)
I have an 01 with all the 05 headlights and stuff, lot's of mods and 124k and no problems.

And.......................? Are you selling?

dave krehbiel 04-21-2010 02:42 PM

If you can't find a good diesel look at the V-10's I have two in F-250's and they have plenty of power and no problems with mine. I get about 8 mpg pulling my 38.

07DominatorSS 04-21-2010 02:50 PM

I've got a 2000 7.3 that I've been thinking of selling. Let me know if interested.

LapseofReason 04-21-2010 03:19 PM

No I am not selling sorry, if you like projects you can get a gas motor 1 for under 5k then get the kit from D stroked and put a Cummins eng and the dodge trans in you can find them for 5-10k in the scrap yards. My buddy did it and hes just a weekend wrencher in 3 days and its a nice ride.

FASTTIMES 04-21-2010 04:09 PM

Good Luck on your search- - I've had my eye on the excursions for sometime now...

LapseofReason 04-21-2010 04:38 PM

I got mine off ebay, everything it had done to it was good tastefull mods, he put it up for 7 days I saw it just a few hours in, it said he had it listed locally and may remove it. I called asked if he would take 20k for it if I could get there in 24 hours. He said sure, I hopped a plane to NY. looked at it handed him 20k cash he then gave me 500 back because he tore the seat when he was taking all his stuff out. Niced guy and gave me a good feeling he wasnt BSing me plus it was from out west and very clean.

FASTTIMES 04-21-2010 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by LapseofReason (Post 3092913)
I got mine off ebay, everything it had done to it was good tastefull mods, he put it up for 7 days I saw it just a few hours in, it said he had it listed locally and may remove it. I called asked if he would take 20k for it if I could get there in 24 hours. He said sure, I hopped a plane to NY. looked at it handed him 20k cash he then gave me 500 back because he tore the seat when he was taking all his stuff out. Niced guy and gave me a good feeling he wasnt BSing me plus it was from out west and very clean.

Got any pics?

LapseofReason 04-21-2010 05:02 PM

I'll have to look and see if my son has some, I have never been a big picture guy. I don't even own a camera aside from the crappy one on my phone. I know I don't have any with the new front on it maybe if I clean it this weekend I will get my sons camera and take some.

nordy racer 04-21-2010 07:45 PM

i love my V10 2005.. i was looking into a 6.0 turbo but the prices were out of this world. i upgraded to 373 gears and did a 3in kit. i'm only pulling a 23OL (6K lbs) so i can't even feel it behind the truck..
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...k/picss054.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...s/picss012.jpg

greencard 04-21-2010 08:10 PM

Ex
 
I have an 02 with the 7.3. I love this vehicle, room for 7 adults and pulls my 31 Chris Cat with ease. Bought it 5 yrs ago off lease w 60k miles for 25k...new ones were 52k:eek: All the ones you are finding are high miles as they are getting old. I strongly suggest the 7.3 and do a couple simple mods.The prices just dont seem to drop because there is nothing comparable made since.Decent mile ones seem to still fetch low 20's ...don't wait too long, there are not many nice ones left. Dieselstop.com has a forum just for the EX. Good Luck with your search:lolhit:

BowenCT 04-21-2010 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by 07DominatorSS (Post 3092831)
I've got a 2000 7.3 that I've been thinking of selling. Let me know if interested.

You're a long way from CT, but I guess it couldn't hurt. Shoot me an email, bowenct at charter dot net.

mwdill 04-22-2010 04:52 AM

father in law liked mine so much he bought the last new 05 in the area, i think he has 22k on it, so i will always have a spare! :D:

STUCK 04-22-2010 06:18 AM

Ok I have a question about the excursions are they a 1/2 ton towing rating and is there a 3/4 ton rating for them? I have a 1/2 ton suburban and tow a 27 foot Baja which does ok but I think it's close to it limit so we are wanting to find something in a 3/4 Ford or GM with a gas motor and the Ford I want the
V10. I'm not a diesel fan and it wouldn't be driven a lot except for a couple trips a year or some local driving.

BowenCT 04-22-2010 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by STUCK (Post 3093279)
Ok I have a question about the excursions are they a 1/2 ton towing rating and is there a 3/4 ton rating for them? I have a 1/2 ton suburban and tow a 27 foot Baja which does ok but I think it's close to it limit so we are wanting to find something in a 3/4 Ford or GM with a gas motor and the Ford I want the
V10. I'm not a diesel fan and it wouldn't be driven a lot except for a couple trips a year or some local driving.

The Excursion is a 1-ton rated truck. A 3/4 in a Ford would be an F-250.

Sydwayz 04-22-2010 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by BowenCT (Post 3093282)
The Excursion is a 1-ton rated truck. A 3/4 in a Ford would be an F-250.

Depends on the truck and any after-factory OEM parts swaps. Most of them are akin to an F-250 in springs, blocks, brakes, suspension, etc. etc.

Many folks swap front springs and blocks which make it the same as an F-350 CC SB would roll off the factory floor.

They often (not always--depends on options) have an 11,000 lbs tow rating.

That said, air-bags and wider wheels and tires (vs. OEM) go a long way to help the towing stability of the Ex.

Sydwayz 04-22-2010 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by STUCK (Post 3093279)
Ok I have a question about the excursions are they a 1/2 ton towing rating and is there a 3/4 ton rating for them? I have a 1/2 ton suburban and tow a 27 foot Baja which does ok but I think it's close to it limit so we are wanting to find something in a 3/4 Ford or GM with a gas motor and the Ford I want the
V10. I'm not a diesel fan and it wouldn't be driven a lot except for a couple trips a year or some local driving.

A 2002-2005 Suburban or Avalanche 2500 with the 8.1L 496 and 4speed auto M32 4L85E transmission, with either 3.73 or 4.10 gears would also be fine for your application.

However, it does not trump an Ex.

BowenCT 04-22-2010 07:58 AM

Sydwayz, if I recall, you once had an 8.1 Avalanche. What kind of everyday MPGs did you see, non-towing? And what rear?

Sydwayz 04-22-2010 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by BowenCT (Post 3093328)
Sydwayz, if I recall, you once had an 8.1 Avalanche. What kind of everyday MPGs did you see, non-towing? And what rear?

Don't ask. :D

4.10, and I had K&N intake, true dual exhaust, and a Diablo Predator PowerTuner just setup to fix my speedo and shift points with bigger (265/7x/17) tires on 17x8 inch wheels. I also had a bug deflector and the front end slightly raised with the T-bars. (All of these affect gas mileage.)

I didn't drive it for a daily driver. It got 11 in the city and 14 on the highway.

BUT, it had ALL KINDS of power and would leap off the line.

Sydwayz 04-22-2010 08:09 AM

If I had it do do all over again, I'd have a modern turbo-diesel from the start. I wasn't a diesel fan either, until I bought one.

Holy crap! These things are the IROC/Trans Am/5.0 GT-LX of yesteryear. You can have way too much fun with them, and they are not the big, ugly, dirty, smelly, rattling work trucks that they once were known as.

BowenCT 04-22-2010 08:19 AM

Let me ask you this since you seem well versed in towing applications.... My Formula 303 is appx. 7300lbs dry, my trailer is a steel Eagle that I would estimate to be appx. 1500lbs, fill up the boat before hitting the ramp and tack on another 800lbs, giving us a total of 9600lbs. Yikes.

My question, if I upgraded the hitch on a 2500 6.0 Suburban, how do you think it would do? 90% of my towing will be from my house to the ramp which is about 5mi. of back roads. A friend uses one for his 29 PowerQuest with small blocks, but I think it is quite a bit lighter than my old Formula. He seems to think it does pretty good.

Thoughts?

BowenCT 04-22-2010 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 3093335)
If I had it do do all over again, I'd have a modern turbo-diesel from the start. I wasn't a diesel fan either, until I bought one.

Holy crap! These things are the IROC/Trans Am/5.0 GT-LX of yesteryear. You can have way too much fun with them, and they are not the big, ugly, dirty, smelly, rattling work trucks that they once were known as.

I would LOVE one, trust me. My dream truck is a Chev/GMC NBS 2500 CC/SB Duramax/Allison, white with black leather, 6in. suspension lift and 35s, but.............

I drive a ton for work and can't swing a $30K+ (used) truck and a car for work. So I am looking for something adequate and a little older (cheaper $$$) to do my towing.

STUCK 04-22-2010 08:37 AM

Thanks Sydwayz. Didn't know the Ex had that much towing ability I always figured it was equal to a 1/2 suburban. I've been trying to find a 3/4 Avalance but the prices seem high to me.

Sydwayz 04-22-2010 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by BowenCT (Post 3093343)
Let me ask you this since you seem well versed in towing applications.... My Formula 303 is appx. 7300lbs dry, my trailer is a steel Eagle that I would estimate to be appx. 1500lbs, fill up the boat before hitting the ramp and tack on another 800lbs, giving us a total of 9600lbs. Yikes.

My question, if I upgraded the hitch on a 2500 6.0 Suburban, how do you think it would do? 90% of my towing will be from my house to the ramp which is about 5mi. of back roads. A friend uses one for his 29 PowerQuest with small blocks, but I think it is quite a bit lighter than my old Formula. He seems to think it does pretty good.

Thoughts?

No way.

Pick up a truck that does the job right and buy a Grand Prix 3.8L V6 (has a big interior) for $3-5K with a 100K miles on it for a daily driver. They run forever and are easy to work on.

Sydwayz 04-22-2010 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by STUCK (Post 3093357)
Thanks Sydwayz. Didn't know the Ex had that much towing ability I always figured it was equal to a 1/2 suburban. I've been trying to find a 3/4 Avalance but the prices seem high to me.

Expeditions would be equivalent to a 1/2 ton Suburban in most cases.

See the first post in this section which will tell you everything you need to know about tow ratings of these vehicles.

The 2500 Suburban (and AV) with the 8.1L (slightly older) is a hoss, but it's no modern turbo-diesel.

The 2500 Suburban with the 6.0L is not much better than a 1/2 ton with a 5.3L when it comes to power. The extra weight that the 2500 brings with it pretty much negates the extra power you have with the 6.0L.

Neither of these vehicles compare to the 3/4 & 1-Ton pickups though. When they have the 8.1L in them (gas) they have the ALLISON transmission which is the shiznit for towing. (The 2500 AV & Sub only have a 4 speed Auto M32 4L85E tranny which is a beefed up version of the H2/Tahoe tranny.)

That said, the Excursion is the only true Heavy Duty SUV, period. While it is rated to tow as much as the 2500 Suburban/Avalanche, it is a much more solid platform than the GM offering. It basically a 3/4 ton F-250 with an enclosed & finished bed. Hence, it has a slightly less tow rating capacity due to the extra weight (compared to a like optioned F-250).

fubard 04-22-2010 10:36 AM

I have a 2003 Excursion 4x4 Eddie Bauer Edition. with a 6.0 Diesel and its a AZ truck. its a non smoker and EVERYTHING has been done to this truck I will ship the truck to you for $350.00 anywhere in the U.S with 100% satisfaction if the truck is not as described send it back THATS HOW NICE THIS EXCURSION IS. give me a call will send pics to you. 941-321-8952 Chris

mwdill 04-22-2010 12:18 PM

an Ex with aftermaket springs or ones from an f250 or f350, is a totally different riding vehicle, much more firmer, stable.
i would choose that ride over stock for towing/everyday driving

biddersweet 04-22-2010 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 3092762)
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searchallcraigs? never heard of it, but i just checked it out and it seems to be a basic google search. I would suggest allofcraigs.com, which uses all advanced search parameters.

just my opinion

PhantomChaos 04-22-2010 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by fubard (Post 3093461)
I have a 2003 Excursion 4x4 Eddie Bauer Edition. with a 6.0 Diesel and its a AZ truck. its a non smoker and EVERYTHING has been done to this truck I will ship the truck to you for $350.00 anywhere in the U.S with 100% satisfaction if the truck is not as described send it back THATS HOW NICE THIS EXCURSION IS. give me a call will send pics to you. 941-321-8952 Chris

That's what I have! I love my '03 Excursion 4x4 Eddie! Crap.....it only has 30,000 miles too.....our nanny drives our boy to the mall/school in it now when not hauling the boat. I think we will have this thing for some time. The '03 had a few recalls on it but once those were fixed we've had no problems except for a small anoying oil leak.

mwdill 04-23-2010 04:49 AM

if you were looking at an 03 just pull the history and you would see if it was a lemon, but usually if it did'nt go bad in the first 30k you had a good one.

damdonzi 04-23-2010 06:46 AM

I have had a couple of Excursions after a couple of 3/4 ton Suburbans. Your Suburban with the 8.1 is still one of my favorites. Almost feels like a sportscar in comparison because the Excursion is wider/longer, but for highway towing I prefer the Excursion for those same attributes.

Absolutely love our current truck. 2002 V10 Black Limited with quad captain chairs (makes 3rd row much more accessible) and all the options. Towing our Intrepid which is roughly all-in 7,500LBS (had it weighed at a Certified Scales) we get about 8.5MPG. Unloaded anywhere from 12-14MPG. I agree on the market. It is absolutely all over the board in terms of price points.

You have probably seen these already, but just in case:

Are you a stereo nut?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=190390520823

Are you a privacy nut?
http://boston.craigslist.org/sob/ctd/1704340110.html

DirtyMoney 04-23-2010 09:10 PM

02 Excursion 7.3 Limited. I will never sell and will probably buy another as a reserve.

raytart 04-23-2010 09:56 PM

Got an 02 Limitd V10 Gas and love it. It's has 29K on it. Sorry Not for Sale. Good Vehicle. Very smooth running motor. No issues other than crappy MPG.

vios1102 04-25-2010 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 3092762)
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I know Will loves his '03/6.0L, but it's the only one I would stay away from.

IMHO, go with the 7.3L and let the leaf spring front suspension be good enough for you; or step directly into a 2005 with the coil springs and 6.0L.


Your information are very useful..Thanks
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kenvik01 04-25-2010 09:56 PM

You might try Wholesale inc in Madison or Goodletsville, Tn. They sell wholesale to everyone. The price you pay is the same as the dealer pays. Looked at an '05 Ex and it went for $32k. The next day the dealer up the road had it for $36k.
ANyway, they might be willing to look for a particluar vehicle for you. . They can direct you to their website.
Ask for Mr. Ferguson. He's one of the owners and I went to church with his parents.

This may help get you started.
Wholesale 416 W Main St
Hendersonville, TN 37075
(615) 824-7225
Ken


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