Originally Posted by Chris288 (Post 3412852)

Tonight I drove an 08 tundra crew and an 2011 hemi crew Ram, The tundra stopped better and felt more like a truck, the ram rode nicer, power felt about equal. What is totally screwy is Dodge's tow ratings, hemi with to hitch 5K, hemi with tow package 8,900, they are all over the place regarding their tow ratings, enough to give you a head ache. with 380 plus hp on the two trucks I think it has come down to either of those 2, the silverado with 315 hp and the 5.4 ford I think are underpowered.

Originally Posted by sprink58 (Post 3413059)

I was a Chevy/GM guy for 30 years until I got my 1st SuperCrew F-150 in '02...180K miles later with NO PROBLEMS I traded for a '07 SuperCrew KR 4 x 4 with the 9200# tow package. I drive 20K miles a year and tow my 255 Formula Liberator ...8000# on the trailer with a full fuel,water and gear load. I have the 5.4 with 3:73 limited slip. I get 16 MPG over all City/Hwy and 12 whe I tow the boat.

I thought my next truck would be a F-250/350 diesel or the GM Duramax/Allison...until I drove the Eco Boost F-150.

This is the biggest paradigm shift in the light truck business in 25 years...365 HP/420 ft. lbs tq....23 MPG...can't touch it.

The fastest stock gasoline pickup I have driven (not including a Ford Lightning SC) was the Toyota Tundra with the big V8...until I drove the Eco Boost. A neighbor is a sales rep at a local Ford dealer here. We took a new demo Eco Boost 2 wd and ran a 1/4 and 1/2 mile drag race adainst a 2010 Toyota Tundra optional big V8. The Ford jumped out 2 full lenths and grew to 4 lengths in a 1/4...6 lengths at the 1/2.
I would not have believed this if I had not seen it.:evilb:

I want to tow test one but all of the test I have read puts the Eco Boost ahead of all of the 1/2 tons on the market plus it beats them all...including the 5.4 Ford by 8 MPG in the gas mileage test.

Test drive one of these before you buy...you owe it to yourself.

Originally Posted by Uncle Dave (Post 3413963)

Heres a torque curve comparison between the rest of the ford product line.

This things schools all other stock 1/2 tons for towing.


UD

Originally Posted by sprink58 (Post 3413971)

Damn...look how flat that torque curve is!!! That's diesel territory son!!:evilb:

Originally Posted by Uncle Dave (Post 3413914)

To be transparent - you wont get 23 from a 4x4 3:73 Super crew. More like 15-19.

The short box single cab 4X2 3:14 rear end is the "23 MPG" version.

UD

Originally Posted by Fountain4402 (Post 3414107)

ECO boost is impressive, but i just priced out one and I dont know. I priced out a well equipped model XLT nothing fancy, extended cab 4WD, 3.73 gears, and it was 37,500 same model in a F250 with gas engine was 37,800 and with diesel it was 44,000. If you are a casual tower and smaller boat I would say yeah F150 but anything above 26-27ft and doing it alot no way. Diesel cost a little more right now but the difference in towing 7000lbs witha diesel and a F150 is night and day

Originally Posted by Quicksilver (Post 3414242)

The Eco-Boost with steep gearing still get's good mileage once broken in, one of the guys I know has a Supercrew with a couple thousand miles on it, and the mileage seems to get better and better once it's breaking it. He gets 21 on the highway now at 70-75 here in FL with the 3.73 rear end (hand calculated). City he's at 14-16 which is still excellent for that weight of the truck and power as he has a lead foot with it as he says now lol.

Originally Posted by Uncle Dave (Post 3414253)

Even though I do not own one since my buddy acquired his I've been poking around on the f150 forums and doing lot of watching.

Some guys say the rear end "loosens up" after a few K and they get a jump in mileage. Makes sense.

One guy said Ford told him the truck had a "break in" map and that after X miles the FI system switches over to a "normal map" . Interesting idea but unproven.

Many guys say their mileage "jumped" after a few K on the same routes. There are many of these stories. There is a wide average of ranges for the rig, but for its capability It's quite impressive.

For sure if you are doing 100% towing a diesel is a better choice. But diesel trucks make lousy part time cars and home depot runners. The GM 6.2 pulls great, but Im not sure you can get it in a half ton and when used as a commuter it will drive you to the poorhouse.

Im going to try to squeak a few more years out of my paid for 1/2 ton and watch closely. Ill bet you'll see the other mfgrs follow Fords on this one.

UD

Originally Posted by ar300johnson (Post 3414329)

If you set cruise at 60, you can get 20mpg.

Originally Posted by Quicksilver (Post 3414368)

All the trucks can get better mileage at 60... but how many places can you actually cruise and do that? Every highway I've ever been on, going 60 would be a death wish. Try that in FL where your likely to get rammed off the road by a semi going 80 LOL.

Originally Posted by sprink58 (Post 3413956)

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/07/2...ty-22-highway/

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/w...-150-graph.jpg

For towing we need TORQUE and we need it quick...look at the Eco Boost Torque RPM...2500 and it gets 90% of it at 1750 RPM.

This tells the story....if you are looking for the best in class towing, torque, and fuel economy...it's a no-brainer.

I wonder how long before we get a Marine version of this engine? With that torque curve it becomes very attractive.

Originally Posted by formula455 (Post 3414590)

These are all claimed figures not real world NOT EVEN CLOSE TO REAL like I said I was on a 1400 mile trip with ecoboost and 7.7 is real. all hand figured not from the info center. I saw it with my own eyes the ecoboost had 11K miles on it.

Originally Posted by Uncle Dave (Post 3414594)

Its not at all a feat to get any of these trucks well down into single digits under lots of circumstances.

Are you saying a different half ton truck would have gotten better mileage on the same trip?

Tons of third party data on this truck.

UD

Originally Posted by formula455 (Post 3414602)

Im saying this motor makes good power and tows well for a gas, but is isnt doing what is claimed. if you go to fordf150.net you will see no one is reporting those kinda of mpg towing, I have a 1975 GMC 1ton dually 4x4 crew cab with a built 540 bbc and it will get 9mpg towing a single car trailer, So Im just not the significance of the ecoboost

Originally Posted by Uncle Dave (Post 3414617)

Ive spent considerable time drive and towing with one myself
and done vast reading at the f150forums.

You get all kinds of ranges fron all kinds of guys.

I posted the mileage I observed.

I dont doubt your 75 1 ton4x4 will get 9 towing.
It will probably get 9 in town too.

What does that have to do with the posters search for a new half ton truck?

Which new half ton would you pick and why?

UD

Originally Posted by formula455 (Post 3414634)

My duramax just hit 164k Its been tuned to 440hp and 920tq RWHP for the last 60k, with no problems. so I see no reason to buy a gas pickup..

Originally Posted by formula455 (Post 3414634)

It will do about 12 in town LOL

It has nothing to do with it, Just a comparison

I would buy the new 6.2 GM gas if I was forced to buy a gas pickup

My 2003 duramax does 21 mpg empty I drive it 80 miles round trip daily to work, better milage than my mustang gt with a 4.6, My duramax just hit 164k Its been tuned to 440hp and 920tq RWHP for the last 60k, with no problems. so I see no reason to buy a gas pickup..

Originally Posted by rlj676 (Post 3414810)

$$$$

If you don't drive a lot a gasser gets the job done much more economically. It takes a lot of miles to pay for the $8k increase in cost for diesel.

Originally Posted by Chris288 (Post 3412852)

Tonight I drove an 08 tundra crew and an 2011 hemi crew Ram, The tundra stopped better and felt more like a truck, the ram rode nicer, power felt about equal. What is totally screwy is Dodge's tow ratings, hemi with to hitch 5K, hemi with tow package 8,900, they are all over the place regarding their tow ratings, enough to give you a head ache. with 380 plus hp on the two trucks I think it has come down to either of those 2, the silverado with 315 hp and the 5.4 ford I think are underpowered.

Originally Posted by BY U BOY (Post 3415392)

The towing capacity on my 09 Ram with the 3.92 RE is 9100lBS.

What rear end does the 11 Ram you are looking at have. If it is the 3.92 then it should be over 10K pounds.

Originally Posted by Catmando (Post 3415477)

I just checked Sydwayz's chart and a 2007 2wd 2500 with 3.73 is rated at from 13,000-13250lbs. A 3.92 would +/- 14000lbs. Personally I find that excessive. Not that the motor and trans can't tow it, but the frame and brakes would not be up to those weights on a frequent basis. I really wouldn't go over 11,000lbs on a 3/4 ton truck a lot if I didn't have to...

[Oh do you mean gas or diesel?]

Originally Posted by Chris288 (Post 3422146)

Ended up getting an 09 Hemi Ram TRX4 with tow package, rated for 9,100 and 14K on the clock. Towed the boat for the first time on Sunday,,,, lets just say i'm in heaven, truck stops better with 7K behind it than my Ford did with nothing behind it. Ford would struggle going up 3 mile mountain on Rt. 84, started at 70 ended up at 50 at the top, the hemi kept it at 70 without even breathing heavy, I guess an extra 100 ft/lbs of torque will do that. Averaged 15mph going to the river and 12 on the way home, which is right around what the ford would do. Not towing it rides like a dream and the interior is incredibly functional, love the flip up rear seats and storage boxes under the floors. now we'll just see how she hold up over the long run. I just couldn't justify buying an older toyota with more mileage and crappy plasticky interior for right around the same money.

Looked into Ziebart and have mixed emotions about it. looking to protect my investment for a long time to come..

Originally Posted by Chris288 (Post 3422667)

Yeah, I had a tough time getting past the chrysler history also, My dad said you couldn't give him a chrysler, I took him for a ride in the new truck he offered me 2 grand more than what I paid for it and has me looking for one for him.