Here is the USA Today press release - http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...first/1917131/

Says same motor and I would guess same trans since they pull similar duty.
It is a proven world combo so I would hope there are not the problems like Ford's string of diesels (soldier :angry-smiley-038:)

I dont see where it will be cost effective in the long run for most. The article says not much up charge but I still expect some bump plus higher maintance costs and diesel price differential all affecting a true cost benifit analysis.

Where I do see Dodge winning is being first to market with a 1500 diesel for those just clamoring to get one.
Also with CAFE standards now hitting trucks, bumping the MPG makes sense from gamming perspective. Nothing in todays CAFE differentiates gas from diesel.

I think the common buying public is in for a learning curve on the semi finicky nature of todays diesel fuel/engines vs throw gas in and go.
At least diesel is more common than 10 yrs ago.
Rolling out a 1500 diesel might mean the opening of more consumer CNG doors in the next 10 yrs???

I like Wanabe's sarcasm. Todays Big 3 tow rating is more about advertising than reality. There is a new SAE tow rating standard but few use it, partially because they will get egg on their face. http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/t...ing-field.html

HP is less with torque slightly higher the the current Hemi offering so I would expect similar ratings. Frame, axles and brakes dont change from the rest of the fleet and that is the real differential in tow rating.

Toyota just announced a 2014 HD that will challenge Big 3 dominance of the HD market. Watch out, I predict a market share slide from the Big 3 :whistle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IVZ-tSg_tA

lol yes the old powerstroke joke. I know I know. actually had two power strokes and never an issue. From I heard the new ford diesel is better than the old internationals.

But I think you hit it on the head. It is going to be more of a step in the right direction and future. But depends, if the engine get huge MPG gains then youll have buyers, but if you have something that gets the same as a gas, whats the incentive for your average buyer where like you said gas is more pump and run. Dont have to worry about fuel filters addatives, plugging it in etc. Sure you'll have the guys that do bigger towing get into it, but from a cost perspective and ease of use compared to gas will probably not hit home. You say there will not be an upcharge but like you I beleive you will have some premium.

But I am estatic at the idea of the possibilites. Its not out of the relm to have this tow 12k lbs and get 25HWY or more. But with the DPF and such I am not so sure you would see that.

I like the SAE rating but its still subjective to a point. How do you determine durability of of a power train? Do you have one governing body doing that? I like the idea of a standard way but still think the SAE can be inpartial. I do like the idea of standard payload of occupants when determining weight unlike most manufactures mean empty. Like my ECO boost is 11,300 but two people and gear im already probably down under 11k. Seems like a good idea but Im still skeptical as I see this as a power or money grab by some agency

Toyota looks interesting but dont see any numbers, and that thing looks ugly as he**, sorry. I dont think Toyota is ever going to threaten the big three, they make a run at dodge but in the near future they are not going to become number one. And right or wrong they are always going to be seen as a Toyota. But what is good as I see them keeping the other three honest and pushing improvement.

They will have to find an engine builder...they sure failed with the 5.7 in the tundra.

About time someone makes a 1/2 ton diesel. I thought GM was on track about 6-8 years ago but it never happened.

The ex's BMW diesel X5 weighed in at over 6000 pound and got 32mpg highway running 75-80 and it was AWD. Thing hauled assss, especially considering the weight. Hopefully this Dodge will be comparable performance wise.

here is the new numbers for this truck


We were last told that the Ram 1500 with a Cummins V8 diesel should get around 18 mpg city, 23 mpg highway, with over 250 horsepower and around 440 lb-ft of torque. The V8 redlines at over 5,000 rpm, and is quiet as a gasoline engine. The 4.2 liter Cummins V6 is said to generate 190 hp and 400 lb-ft of torque (horsepower numbers may not be as high in production models of the measured numbers are not SAE net

that was my fear after seeing these numbers, what is it giving me that isnt already there? Well its diesel, personally I dont care what it runs un and I am sure the market says the same thing. I still think this is a step in the right direction, only fear is with numbers like this the market doesnt buy in and it gets cut.

I think you will see that a lot of the people that buy are going to be the diesel die hards. Some people just like em. They will be the guys that go through the trouble to delete the unwanted crap, add some hp and get their mpg numbers up. Nice thing about diesels, the more hp and tq, the better the numbers :) Unlike gas engines where the opposite has always rang true for me.

Im not sure as to why you would think that toyota just introducing an gd tundra that they are all of the sudden going to challenge a market that is completely dominated by the big 3. One thing and the only thing that thing that the big 3 has never relinquished dominance of is the full size truck market. Also its well documented that toyota and nissan serverly underestimated the owner loyalty among truck buyers. I would also like to add that ford sells roughly 50k f series truck monthly. Chevy 35k and dodge 25k. Toyota doesn't crack 10k on a monthly basis. So how do you figure that toyota will now put a huge dent in a class that they are dominated more then 10-1?

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