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Old 11-15-2018, 06:17 PM
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as I said in my earlier post, this is highly confusing . I have state farm insurance and their standard answer to all claims is your not insured for that ! I did not want to hear that with over 100k in a truck and a boat because I did not have correct classification on my drivers lic.
if you tow a trailer over 10,000 even a boat personal use you should have a class A especial with a truck that has door stickers saying it could be over 26,000 lbs no matter what it weighs . even if you tow over 10,000 lbs with a dually or as some guys I know who tow with 3/4 tons
Illinois does have a non cdl class A as I believe all other states do , its a simple permit and driving test no medical card no log books no cdl issues .
to me it was not worth taking the chance to not have at least a attempt to have a correct lic. in case the cop or insurance adjuster says we have a problem here .
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Originally Posted by waycool marine
as I said in my earlier post, this is highly confusing . I have state farm insurance and their standard answer to all claims is your not insured for that ! I did not want to hear that with over 100k in a truck and a boat because I did not have correct classification on my drivers lic.
if you tow a trailer over 10,000 even a boat personal use you should have a class A especial with a truck that has door stickers saying it could be over 26,000 lbs no matter what it weighs . even if you tow over 10,000 lbs with a dually or as some guys I know who tow with 3/4 tons
Illinois does have a non cdl class A as I believe all other states do , its a simple permit and driving test no medical card no log books no cdl issues .
to me it was not worth taking the chance to not have at least a attempt to have a correct lic. in case the cop or insurance adjuster says we have a problem here .
Yeah, if your state has it and requires a certain license for non commercial, you had better have it. Some states do and some states don’t. If your state doesn’t have it, your insurance can’t make you get something that doesn’t exist lol. My insurance has 0 issue with my 450 or any of the boats, even when well over 26,000 combined. Indiana is a very easy state for licensing.
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It is exactly for the posts above, I have a Ram 2500 GVWR of 10K with AirLift Bags and a trailer rated at 13K. With my Texas DL I can haul anywhere in the USA with a Texas DOT "One Trip Permit" which allows bypassing all the weigh stations and other Commercial restrictions. THANKS TEXAS!!! As long as I do not exceed the 26K# limit, I am GTG on my standard Class A DL
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Originally Posted by IDLife Express
It is exactly for the posts above, I have a Ram 2500 GVWR of 10K with AirLift Bags and a trailer rated at 13K. With my Texas DL I can haul anywhere in the USA with a Texas DOT "One Trip Permit" which allows bypassing all the weigh stations and other Commercial restrictions. THANKS TEXAS!!! As long as I do not exceed the 26K# limit, I am GTG on my standard Class A DL
Class C I'm thinking
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Originally Posted by Wobble
Class C I'm thinking
I stand corrected... Yes, it is a Class C.
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Interesting how quiet Mike38Scarab got, considering how sure he was that he was right.
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As I stated very early in this thread as long as what you have is for personal use only you don't need a CDL endorsement. Unless you have forgotten what CDL stands for it is "COMMERCIAL DRIVERS LICENSE" period. That's why you can get non CDL class licenses. Weight and class ratings are something different.
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Originally Posted by PremierPOWER
Interesting how quiet Mike38Scarab got, considering how sure he was that he was right.

--Sorry, but you don’t get to cherry pick what you think applies to you because you have a boat.



Here is the full regulation:



Agricultural Exceptions and Exemptions to the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration Hours of Service (HOS) and Commercial Driver’s License (CDL) Rules

The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) regulates transportation in interstate commerce for vehicles weighing 10,001 or more pounds (i.e., any of the following: gross vehicle weight (GVW), gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR), gross combination weight (GCW) or gross combination weight rating (GCWR)). Vehicles with a GVW, GVWR, GCW or GCWR of 26,001 pounds or more may require the driver to have a Commercial Driver’s License (CDL).

However, Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations (FMCSRs) provide an exception for the transportation of horsesand other animals to shows and events, as well as cars, boats and other similar items. When such transportation is not business related (i.e., the transportation is not for compensation, and the driver is not performing in an underlying business related to the move), the FMCSRs do not apply, even if prize or scholarship money is offered for the event. This exemption includes the Hours-of-Service (HOS) regulations, requirements for use of Electronic Logging Devices (ELDs) and CDL regulations, unless a CDL is required by the driver’s home state.

Click herefor a recorded presentation on the Agriculture Exemption; click herefor the corresponding powerpoint slides.

Agricultural Exemptions



See the agricultural exemptions diagrams to learn more.

Congress provided four statutory exemptions to the Federal Motor Carrier Safety HOS Regulations for agricultural operations:

Covered farm vehiclesweighing 26,001 pounds or more, operated by a farmer or a farmer’s employee, are exempt from HOS and CDL regulations if the vehicle is operated in the State of registration or within a 150-air mile radius of the farmer’s farm or ranch. Covered farm vehicles weighing 26,000 pounds or less are exempt throughout the country.

• During planting and harvesting periods, as determined by each State, drivers who transport agricultural commodities from the source of the agricultural commodities to a location within a 150 air-mile radius (172.6 statute miles) of the source; farm supplies for agricultural purposes from a wholesale or retail distribution point of the farm supplies to a farm or other location where the farm supplies are intended to be used within a 150 air-mile radius from the distribution point; or farm supplies for agricultural purposes from a wholesale distribution point of the farm supplies to a retail distribution point of the farm supplies within a 150 air-mile radius from the wholesale distribution point are exempt from HOS regulations. Additional information is provided in the guidance on the 150 air-mile radius exemption.

• Drivers who transport commercial bees in interstate commerce are exempt from the 30-minute break required by the HOS regulations if there are bees on board the vehicle.

• Drivers who transport livestock in interstate commerce are exempt from the 30-minute break required by the HOS regulations if there is livestock on board the vehicle.

In addition, when drivers are relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work, hours driven may be considered as personal conveyance and are not counted against daily and weekly HOS limits. Additional information is provided in the guidance on personal conveyance.
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-->General Applicability of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations (FMCSRs), Including ELDs and HOS

If the vehicle or combination of vehicles (truck and trailer) weigh 10,001 pounds or more (GVWR, GCWR, GVW or GCW) and the operation is not eligible for any exceptions, the FMCSRs apply.

Electronic Logging Device (ELD) Exceptions

Several ELD exceptionsmay apply to a carrier’s operation, including, but not limited to, the following:

• The short-haul operations exception for preparing a logbook found in 49 CFR 395.1(e) for drivers who operate within a 100-air mile radius of their normal work reporting location for vehicles that require a CDL (or 150 air-mile radius for vehicles that do not require a CDL), and work no longer than 12 hours a day.

• Vehicles that are older than model year 2000.

• Drivers who are required to complete paper records of duty status eight (8) days or fewer in any 30-day period.

Recording HOS when Transporting an Agricultural Commodity

When a driver operates a vehicle under an agriculture exemption outside the 150 air-mile radius from the source, distribution point, or wholesale distribution point and the driver does not qualify for an ELD exemption, the driver may use one of the following options to record their HOS on an ELD:

Option 1

A driver can operate within the 150 air-mile radius without logging into the ELD, and then log into the ELD once the vehicle reaches the 150 air-mile radius limit. Driving time within the 150 air-mile radius will be identified on the ELD as “unidentified driving” time. The driver will reject the unidentified driving time on the ELD and the motor carrier must annotate the ELD data to explain that the “unidentified driving” time occurred while operating under an agricultural HOS exemption.

Option 2

The driver can log into the ELD when coming on duty and identify the time operating within the 150 air- mile radius with an ELD annotation stating that the vehicle was operating under an agricultural HOS exemption.

Option 3

When operating within the 150 air-mile radius the driver can identify the movement of the commercial motor vehicle as authorized personal use on the ELD. If the driver logs into the ELD and identifies the movement as authorized personal use then the driver must also make an annotation on the ELD explaining that the movement is exempt per the agriculture exemption. Upon exiting the 150-air mile radius the driver must then identify the movement of the vehicle as on duty driving.

If When a driver is required to use an ELD, the safety official will review ELD data by transferring it to the Electronic Records of Duty Status (eRODS) software using the telematics or local transfer option. If the ELD data cannot be transferred, the safety official will review the data on the ELD display screen or printout. In accordance with the ELD rule, an ELD is not required to identify driver violations and the driver remains accountable for non-compliance with the HOS rules.
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-->General Applicability of Commercial Driver’s License (CDL) Requirements:

A CDL is required if:

• The vehicle has a GVWR or GVW of 26,001 pounds or more; or

• A combination of vehicles (truck and trailer) has a GVWR or GCWR of 26,001 pounds or more, including a towed unit with a GVWR or GVW of more than 10,000 pounds.


However, if the vehicle is used for a non-commercial purpose, (i.e., a recreational vehicle, a vehicle transporting horsesand other animals, or cars, boats and similar items to shows and events), the driver does not need a CDL, unless required by the driver’s home State. If an underlying business is not related to the transportation, it is considered non-commercial. This includes any unrelated agricultural business, such as a cattle rancher who owns horses for personal use, unrelated to the ranching business.

Employers and drivers who transport horses and other animals or cars, boats and similar items to shows and events, in a vehicle or combination of vehicles weighing 26,001 pounds or more (GVWR, GVW, GCW or GCWR), must comply with their State’s licensing laws, which may or may not require a CDL.

A State may exempt farm vehicle operatorsfrom its CDL requirements. A farm vehicle waiver is limited to the driver’s home State, unless there is a reciprocal agreement with adjoining States.

How to Determine if a Driver is Required to have a CDL

If a safety official stops a CMV transporting an agricultural commodity (including non-processed foods, feed, fiber, or livestock), FMCSA recommends that the driver explain that the transportation is agricultural related. If it is determined that a driver is engaged in non-agricultural related transportation or the driver does not qualify for an agricultural exemption, FMCSA recommends that drivers use the following questions to determine if they are required to have a CDL:

1 Is the vehicle being used for a non-commercial purpose, such as taking a personally owned animal to a show and there is no underlying business related to the transportation?

If YES, a CDL is NOTrequired.

1 Does the vehicle or vehicle combination have a GVWR, GVW, GCWR or GCW (whichever is greater) of 10,001 pounds or more?

If NO, a CDL is NOTrequired.

1 Does the vehicle or vehicle combination have a GVWR, GVW, GCWR or GCW (whichever is greater) of 10,001 pounds or more, but less than 26,001 pounds?

If YES, a CDL is NOTrequired.

1 Does the vehicle or vehicle combination have a GVWR, GVW, GCWR or GCW (whichever is greater) of 26,001 pounds or more?

If YES, a CDL MAYbe required.


For more information regarding the ELD rule, visit FMCSA’s ELD webpage. Questions can be submitted to [email protected].

Updated: Wednesday, September 26, 2018





Right out of the regulations from Indiana telling you when you need a class A CDL:



When is an Indiana CDL Required

You need an Indiana CDL when you operate the following vehicles:

CLASS A – Applies only to “combination” vehicles with a Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) more than 26,000 pounds, and the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is more than 10,000 pounds. A driver with a Class A CDL (plus any appropriate endorsements) can also operate all vehicles included in Class B, C, and D (below)












A boat being towed is considered a combination vehicle.





All states are required to, and currently comply with Federal standards.



1. You operate a combination vehicle that weighs over 26,000 lbs.

2. Read the The Agricultural Exceptions and Exemptions (I have high lighted them).

3. Look at the last yes/no.

4. Now look and see “When Indiana requires a CDL”.

5. You are in a weight class. “Class A”.

6. As such the only way to get a Class A license is to get a CDL because Indiana requires it.



Don’t believe me, Call your BMV and ask. Have you even done that??



I have and have confirmed it for you.



The number is 888-692-6841. Ask them you are pulling a personal boat with a pickup truck that has a combined weight of 32,000lbs. They will tell you need a Class A license. The only way to get a Class A license is to get a CDL.



The State issues the license for the correct class. Class D is passenger up to 16,000 lbs. Hook up a trailer more than 10,000 lbs. and now you need the proper class ratings. Which now becomes a Class A CDL license.



Law enforcement is responsible to enforce the law. They only care if you are properly licensed.



Get caught without the proper license and go directly to jail per federal law.

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