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THANKS!

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ARE YOU A HYDRODYNAMICS ENGINEER? IF NOT, BE CARFUL ABOUT WHAT YOU SAY AND BE ABLE TO BACK UP WHAT YOU SAY. YOUR COMENTS ARE COMPLETELY WRONG!
REGARDS,
DJW

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SORRY I MISSED YOU MIKE!

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Another thing I like, is the modernized sunpads on some boats. Like the vented sunpads on the hustler slingshots, or the smaller sunpads like on the new donzi's. I'm sure people have mixed feelings on these, but for me they make a boat look more refined.

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for one, you are shouting at me in caps. :mad:
take an internet manners lesson


for two, you are shouting and being a smarta** to a two time BUYER of the product who spent 9 years owning the product, getting the product ALOT of it's first exposure here, getting my friends (multiple) interested in, and BUYING them, stem to stern going over and /or running in most every one that came into stock for those years, and cheerleading Steve's boat.

I'm sure you believe that I don't know how the bottom works, feels, what it likes and what it doesn't... :rolleyes:

After hundreds and hundreds of hours running my own 26' and 32' EVERYWHERE/ALL THE TIME up here including poker runs and outrageously rough Lake Ontario conditions that make ocean swells a cakewalk by comparison, having for the most part managed the pad VERY well, (being asked more than once by players much bigger than me "how the hell do you run that thing so high and straight")...and almost killing myself in each of 90-100 MPH 22's, 26's and 32's pushing the limits...

I think in regards to the man's boat I am closer to being a phuking "hydrodynamics engineer" than you are.

RIGHT BACK AT 'YA FRIEND...BE CAREFUL, AS YOU ARE THE ONE IN THE DELICATE PUBLIC RELATIONS POSITON NOT ME!
BTW, IF YOU ARE A HYDRODYNAMICS ENGINEER MR. SALESMAN, POST YOUR CREDENTIALS. I'VE POSTED MINE.

maybe Ragged could put back the real world reporting that you asked him to remove?
I could add quite a bit more of what I've seen myself, I have been kind. ;)

questions?

Regards, RPM

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FIRST OFF, THE CAPS LOCK IS JUST ON FOR NO REASON - IM NOT SHOUTING. SECOND, I HAVE NOT ASKED ANYONE TO REMOVE ANY COMMENT FROM THE TREAD. AS FOR RAGGED, HE CONTACTED ME IN A PRIVATE EMAIL OFFERING TO REMOVE HIS POST AND I TOLD HIM THAT IT WAS NOT NECESSARY AND THAT I WANTED TO HEAR IT ALL. IF YOU HAVE MORE TO ADD I AM ALL EARS, THAT IS WHY I STARTED THIS TREAD. I AM LOOKING FOR CONSTRUCTIVE ADVISE NOT SOMEONE TRYING TO RE-ENGINEER THE WORLD. EVERYONE MAKES A DIFFERENT PRODUCT FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. SOME THINGS WORK AND SOME DONT. LETS NOT FORGET WHY I STARTED THIS TREAD - IT WAS TO FIND OUT IN A PERFECT WORLD WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN OR ON A VELOCITY BOTH MILD TO WILD. AS FOR THE ENGINEERING - I PERSONALLY AM NOT A HYDRODYNAMICS ENGINEER NOR DO I CLAIM TO BE. WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT THE MAN THAT DESIGNED THE HULL IS READING THIS AND ASKING FOR PROFF TO YOUR CLAIMS. I THINK HE WOULD KNOW MORE THAN ANYONE. I PERSONALLY HAVE A 390 WITH EVERYTHING THAT A 382 FORMULA HAS AND MORE, AND THE BOAT PERFORMS EXCEPTIONAL. BECAUSE I HAVE BOW RAILS AND A FULL HEAD AND A TV DOES NOT MAKE MY BOAT BOW HEAVY. MAYBEE YOU SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE 410SC THAT THE FACTORY RAN ALL YEAR AND RE-THINK WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN.

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In no way did I express in my posts any substantial personal experience or knowledge of the 390/410, though I do have some, I think it's clear I have been commenting on the smaller offerings.
Though I could give some commentary on the first couple 390's. I hope they are better finished these days and the deck doesn't shake and bounce.
Let's not forget, this is a public forum, and with some experience with the smaller boats I feel that I may express my opinion. Which is exactly that.

So...how's a PRODUCTION 290 run with an HO? How long is the bottom...really?, how much does it wiegh, and is it any faster than a handful of boats of comparable bottom length, wieght and power?
I stand by my OPINION that you need a REAL PALPABLE SPEED ADVANTAGE (what the Velocity name is associated with) to get in the game, and it's elementary that adding fluff and wieght to the smaller boats is contrary to that end.

Be aware in terms of the 290 for example, real-world speeds have been posted by owners here on the board.

I stand by my comment (and those of others) that the asthetics of the glass windshields (regardless of function) is absolutely disgusting. Then design another deck around looking right with a glass windshield.

Also recall that this discussion has also been about appearance and quality...

I'd relax on that Formula comparo...

I'll give you an example. Though not about options, it's about quality, it does have a place in the bigger discussion.
I ordered a twin engine Velocity new. Quite by happenstance I discover that the starboard engine had been dropped with the bellhousing and motor plate bolted on. It was put in the boat anyway with a bent plate (and was drilled for it) and a broken bellhousing. Never could get that side just right even with a new bellhousing, motor mount plate, and a drill.
...3 seasons and 200+ hours old you can slip the alignment tool into both sides of my Formula with 2 fingers, and it's never been touched.


I stand by my comment on having a feel for the boats. If I didn't I woulda got more seriously hurt ( not just come close) a long time ago.

I misunderstood the communication between you and Ragged, please accept my apologies.

As far as the man goes, well he's the man. I would never question his knowledge of the bottom.
Though he's not the one buying the boats, we are.
I am a believer in the bottom, and it's because I understand it as much as any layman can...between wheel time in a plethora of them often pushing the limits with power and speed and being an "A" student of physics.

Get away from the "one-offs" nobody cares! You've got to put together combos that can be DIRECTLY COMPARED to other offerings. Why are we avoiding that??? I'm not the only one asking this question!!

or does that bring us back to the question of speed advantage?

Lastly, If commentary to the effect of "get rid of the ugly, less than well done fluff and put the emphasis back on performance" (not windshields and options)
is "re-engineering the (your) world"... then it's clear your presence here is just lip service...
that the present direction, look, and level of fit and finish is acceptable, and will stay that way.

last post for me, though I'll enjoy watching the latest hot factory sponsored debate...
"LCD TV/DVD... better to port or starboard?"

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Geesh, Rippem, I see you are making friends here too. :rolleyes:

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With all due respect.....

Don't start a thread/discussion if your not able to handle some criticism.

As a GM, you have absolutely nothing to gain by responding this way???

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I AM HAPPY TO TAKE ALL CRITICISM! THAT IS THE MAIN REASON THAT I STARTED THIS TREAD. I NEED CRITICISM TO GO IN THE DIRECTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH VELOCITY. THE MAIN THING THAT I WILL NOT ACCEPT IS PEOPLE POSTING ANY BASHING OR SORTS OF. YES I NEED TO HERE IT ALL, AND IF ANYONE WANTS TO RANT - START ANOTHER TREAD. THIS TREAD IS FOR CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM NOTHING ELSE.

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PLEASE undo the caps button. I am not sure if you know but It's hard to read in all caps plus on the internet it is rude and considered shouting/yelling. Thanks!

3 Important Points:

1-VelocityGM, I believe the 1st and formost thing Velocity needs to do is build the boats stronger. Too many in the past years have had failure and or serious cracks. Velocity has a reputation among boaters as a thin light lay up and in boating circles they are considered "potato chips". Velocity needs to dispell these thoughts among performance boaters.

2-Also showing video's at the Miami Boat show of any and all step hull boats spinning out is a cheap tactic to sell boats. these video's showing the competing boat manufacture boats spinning on the race course portray's a cheap shot image of Velocity. Velocity's spin out on the race course too...all boats even old school straight V's from the 70-80's spin out. Just read John Crouses Sea Race book to learn about the attrition of many race boats in the 70's-80's...all straight V's and a lot spun out.

3- The last few boat tests I've seen of Velocity's show a wood grain dash. To me and my friends that view these boats feel that these wood grain dash Velocity's look more like a bow rider Cobalt-Chapperal, Ebbtide, Searay or something that belongs in my grandfathers Cadillac than in a high performance boat with a racing heritage.

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1. yep one boat and you will never let it go how about the fountain at key west last year and i can name more 2. don't thank they have done that in three years 3. you saw it in one boat Steves 41

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1-I have ran 280 in 4,5 seas jumped a number of wakes,and my 2000 is holding up just fine.

2-I guess you don't count MAKING A VEDIO OF A FULL OUT RACE BOAT AT A POKER RUN AND CALLING IT CAT KILLER!!!
Everyone does what they can to sell there product the way they think the market well respond in a possitive way for there company.

3-I personally like the idea of concept boats just because Steve put a wood dash on one boat everyone goes nuts??? That boat was using some of the same products as the coach company uses on ther buses so it does makes sence.

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1) The quality control issue, as I stated before this would appear to be the area in which you stand to gain the most in terms of a new direction at Velocity, combined with an heightened effort to stand behind the product.


2) The days of sucessfull negative advertising, I believe, are gone. I do not see others within the industry doing this. Some may be somewhat flamboyant in their add approach, but not openly negative. Some of the same negative information appears, I believe, on the Velocity website. Anything can and will happen on a race course, my opinion of a boats handling qualities are based on the real world, in a normal recreational use. I do not feel compeled to pull off a tight bonzi turn around a channel marker at 80 mph, nor do I consider myself stupid enough to do that regardless of what hull design I might be in. That would not have been any more prudent a move in my 32 Velocity than it would be in my current 35 Fountain. I agree that the Cat Killer deal is a little out there, but is a 40' Skater, MTI or Nortech with 1500 hp Sterlings a normal pleasure boat ?

3) The wood grain dash and motor coach style interior does not do anything for me, and I doubt many 70 year old coach owners are beating down the plant doors to sign up for one. One off "show" boats have their place, but use them to showcase what "you" do everyday, what the buyer can expect. Maybe a 41 with Merc 1075's for this years mag reviews would be a good thing, known horsepower and see what it will do. Off brand power always leaves the question in a readers mind as to what the horsepower really was. Right or wrong, Merc is the benchmark by which others are judged.

Perhaps a little background info on yourself would be appropriate, inquiring minds would like to know.

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Calm down there Thong, and try that spellcheck option.

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As was the case, my intention was to provide some personal insight, and not to bash the line, and therefore the modification to the original post. My choice, not GM's.

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This is a step in the right direction. Looked awesome!

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Just a thought here. What about making a minimalist 360. The prices for 35+ foot boats is getting more astronomical every year. 496HO's, hydraulic steering, and thats about it. Basic paint, basic cabin amenities, basic everything. Price it under the competition and advertise it that way. Also, advertise it with true cost to the buyer. No haggle pricing has worked well for some car companies. It wouldn't hurt to test it on one model in the lineup. You just have to be fair about it and not look to make a killing off of the price.

I think by advertising this price in the mags and boat shows, you will get a lot of interest from people who in the past might not have even considered velocity as they walked straight for fountain or formula or other larger operations. The markups are huge on boats and I think it drives away a lot of potential new to the sport buyers.

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That blue 36 is a cool boat. That long padded sun pas is too much though. Make it fiberglass and carry the graphics on it. Another thing I dont like is how the cabin doors are. Make it a sliding, or better yet just have it a zipper door like Outerlimits does.

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The padded hatch is nice. Cant beat having the babes lie down on the back!

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True, they should make it an option then.

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You know i don't thank that was necessary. Fever Mike knows how i feel we have talked many times. And the only person that calls me down is my father and that is not you friend.

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I think it is great that Velocity offers staggered twins in the 36'+ boats. If I were considering twins, I would want a staggered set-up for the better balance, speed and engine access. Maybe post a pic of what each size boat looks like with staggered option and info of what ballpark performance gain might be expected on the website? A lot of people might not know about that option.

Speaking of the website, I like all the pictures of each boat size that have been added recently and there is good info on equipment and some options. Some models still need a pic of the engine bay though--very important area :cool:

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Changes needed,look I have a friend with a Hustler 344 and when he bought it ,it had a all fiberglass engine hatch and after almost slipping and busting my a** on more than one occassion as well as many other people he decided to have the factory sun pad installed for 2800.00 and it still sucks giant gorrilla balls and he says that he wishes he had a sun pad like a Velocity,dont change it unless it is a race boat.The number one thing is Quality control,making sure the things that could go overlooked do not get overlooked because they are the things that stay with you forever.I personally do not care about Steves show boats and think he needs to get back to the heart and soul of his product/PERFORMANCE/SPEED/and AFFORDABILITY.These ideas like lets add a bunch of BS to our boats will not and can not survive in a world of today where people can get what they want in any configuration they want it in is available.I will stand by this statement that any boat with the same power,weight,and length will not and I mean will get spanked in all water conditons is a true statement,and until someone proves me wrong,and alot have tried I will stand behind that statement but know back to the TASK at hand.Qualitycontrol and factory assistance,Velocity GM call me 302 293 0487 and we can go from there :cool:

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Not much mention of the VR1 here, but when we were looking to upgrade from our 22 Velocity, the VR1 fit our family's tastes perfectly - a hot rod that is also functional and stylish. The integrated swim platform really adds to the visual appeal and is very functional for the way we use our boat. Unfortunately our northern boating climate requires a windshield, but I think it integrates pretty well on the VR1.

A future redesign consideration would be the air intake ducts. Although very effective at collecting and directing air to the engine, they also collect water from the surface of the deck. I bought rubber plugs to seal them to keep rainwater out while trailering or whenever the boat is stored on the boat hoist. Not a big deal using the plugs, but not having the ducts flush to the deck surface, or using a version of the NACA shaped ducts like the 22 has would be an improvement.

One other nit - the factory canvas cover doesn't have a flap to cover the vent openings on the transom to keep rainwater out during trailering and storage. I had a canvas shop modify my cover with flaps and snaps.

As you can see I'm stretching to find suggestions to offer!

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It's all good. Mikes280 and I get along just fine.

I'll be in Charlotte early spring next year. See ya then.

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Fever Mike:

I have a 2000 390 with 500EFIs. Last year I ran it from Key West to St. Pete Beach after the Key West Poker Run. The conditions were 4 to 5s with winds gusting to 30 knots quartering head winds and it was rock solid! Just because a boat is light does not make it a potato chip. Slabbing on more glass for strength does not work as well as good materials and engineering. I know you are a Fountain fan and know "Liquid Thunder" a 38 Fountain in our club (OPBA). We run together all the time in all conditions and I can pull away from him anytime I want. :evilb:

As far as bashing stepped hulls.. I think they are fast and as safe as any hull when driven correctly.

Look forward to seeing you at the Spring OPBA Poker run. (I also like your rig.)

Frank :drink:

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My first Velocity was a 41' I had Steve build back in 96. I met Steve in the fall of 95 on my first trip to the factory. Steve is the reason I bought the boat, he's a stand up no bs type of guy. I had been looking at a 36 Apache but after sitting with Steve for a few hours I was sold. Actually went to the factory to look at the 35 but the pricing was right on the 41. As for the boat, I was looking for old school hard core. Told Steve no swim platform, cut the transom for Bravos but give me enough room in the engine compartment for transmissions and blower pulleys. Cabin, leave it empty just throw in a few extra bulkheads. I made my own windshield out of the 12" windshield that came with it, I cut it down to about 4" and it keeps all the wind off us. The 12" windshield had a flip at the top endge (it went vertical). I wish the deck was 2' longer, we do a lot of offshore running and I would like to be back a little further in the cockpit. I also like the side by side bolsters, although my son was 1 when I took delivery, he has been driving for 3 years while I am on the throttles. Love this feature the most. As for Mike's comments, I have no, none, zero cracks in my 41 after more that 11 years beating it up in the Atlantic off the coast of NJ. Like him I have also seen many Fountains come apart, so its a weak argument.
I love my 41 even now, over all other V bottoms out there.

I agree with a lot of what's been said. A lot of what's on the new boats looks like a "bolted on after thought". I hate the look of the "pods". You need to sweat the details in the rigging.

The most important change, teach people have to drive them. Almost all the Velocities I see running are way over trimmed. You over trim the boat and it rides like crap, trim it right and you're run the big snotty stuff all day long.

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Wow, you guys have pretty much covered it all. I haven't browsed around the forums for a while and all I can say is that I don't have much to add. I think it's great that some of the other brand owners have taken the time to comment on this thread. But as far as Velocities being (potato chips) Well if you have a bag of potato chips or a bag of thick, heavy sourdough pretzels: if you stomp on them they both break. It just so happened that Velocities were easy to stomp in the early and mid 1990's with moderate power. Compared to the competion they were affordable and very fast which also put them in the hands of some novice operators. As HYPER said they are drivers boats, and that's one of the reasons we love them. :D :D :D

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Well said, and I might add, when you drive a boat you become a better driver. Not asleep at the wheel.

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Well said and I have nothing to add. I have owned 4 velocities now and the only one that I have had that had a single stress crack was my first one and it was a 90 regal velocity. The 97 280, the 2003 390 nor the 2005 41 have any stess cracks and I can assure you they have all seen water that most people would not put their boat in, much less run on the wood.
Steve

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Hey Dude, I said that I had an idea and you never acknowledged it? I owned a 22 O/B and a 26 Summer Squall O/B, I have read all of the comments on here and what you REALLY need to do is put this hull back on the map! There is a dealer up by me that carried them for a few years and he complained about the dealer support and build quality, he also carries Fountain and Outerlimits.
As for the the way the boats are laid up, I put my 22 through HELL and it never skipped a beat and was 14 years old when I sold it!
If any of you have seen an Outerlimits that is used in rough water, they have TONS of gel cracks!

I was a TOTAL Velocity fan, although I raced a Scorpion a few year ago, and I just bought another one in Pleasure form that I am gonna restore. I will always love Velocities but you have been getting alot of bad press lately and to be honest with you, Steve need to stepp up and build a REAL race boat! The website talked about a 36 canopy boat and I have not seen one yet? For a company that was the first boat "over 100mph" and I know Reggie dissagrees, you haven't kept up with build quality and speed with everyone else.

The whole "Spin Out" thing is getting old! I have driven a Kryptonite and didn't like it (severe chine walk). Most of the other manufacturers and especially Fountain has "almost" engineered out the spinning out problem. You are still producing the same hull design, basically since the 80s? I know Steve has other interests, but if he wants to grow this company he needs to look at the competition and decide if he wants to keep building the same old boat or get creative and build a boat that everyone wants to own.

Richie Sutphen came out of semi retirement in the late 90s and shocked the racing community with his product, I am sure Steve could do the same!

I know you probably have a million people say they have the answer to "safe speed", but I think I do! I am not a Hydro engineer, but I am almost positive that my idea will work and work well!

A reply is all that I am looking for, I think I at least deserve that.

Tony M,
Thanks for the post!
Please feel free to call me at any time at the factory 407-321-1340
Regards,
David

David can you please call me 302 293 0487,I have left e mails and voice mails for Clay to call me back but I can not get a return call from him.Bill Weber

David,
Thanks for the return phone call so quickley I apreciate it and it was a pleasure speaking with you.Thanks again for your help.:cool: Bill

No problem Bill!.......I hope your event goes well.......Sounds like a great idea!.......David

David I still have not heard from Clay,one way or another.

Wow! Where to start....

First and foremost I will state that what I am about to type is simply MY opinion and I firmly believe that you cannot satisfy everyone or be everything to everyone as stated earlier. In fact I agree with alot of what was stated already. I can only comment on Velocities I have owned or driven and that would include the 22' 260 and 280. I have no experience with any model larger than that.

My first boat was a 19' Baja 190 Sport with a 4.3L, this was a great beginner boat that rode like SH*T. Around the same timeframe I took a ride in my first Velocity, a 1995 26' at Hutchinsons Boat Works in Alex Bay and I was HOOKED. I remember the boat riding so flat and smooth, I loved the deep freeboard an how safe I felt. Soon after that I purchased a 1996 22' Velocity with a 454 300HP Big Block. This boat taught me how to really DRIVE. (74 GPS with a labbed prop only) You would understand if you owned one.

I owned this boat for about four years and loved every minute of it. I ran this boat in some pretty serious water that I had no business being in. I remember Mark Lalonde telling me that the faster the boat goes the smoother the ride, and he was right! When i sold the boat there wasn't ONE stress crack anywhere.

My next boat was a Baja 272 with a 500HP, I upgraded the heads to Edelbrock Aluminum rectangle ports and the boat ran around 72 on GPS. I really WANTED a 280 but I ended up getting a real good deal on this boat and my wife was ready for stand up bolsters. Although I enjoyed this boat it never really "fit" for me and I have never stopped wanting a 280 since 1995. I really missed the Stepp (Pad) bottom and the way you had to "Drive" the boat. I am convinced it is a cult.

Fast forward to last summer when my friend buys a 1998 280. He was sold on Velocities when he drove my 22' on multiple occasions. You cannot imagine how difficult it was to tie up to that boat all Summer. So the long and short of it is that I will be taking delivery of a 1999 280 500HP at the end of the month. :D

The reason for sharing this story with you is to stress to everyone how riding in that damn boat back in 1995 and owning a 22' Velocity has had a lasting impression on me. The fact that I just sold my Baja 272 that was equipped with a 500HP to get a 280 with a 500HP speaks VOLUMES that the Velocity bottom WORKS. Please DO NOT CHANGE the bottom design, that is what makes Velocities Velocities.

I will however echo others statements that the quality control at the factory needs improvement based on experiences I have seen. My 22' Velocity was a culprit of no sealer on the transom, The drain plug receptacle (Three phillip head screw Brass insert) was never sealed from the factory and leaked. To me this is unacceptable. Another issue I had was with the back padded engine hatch. The wood decking got wet (I assume from the first owner because I am meticulous and always cover the boat with a mooring cover) and it rotted out causing it to collapse when I dove off the back into the water. (I was told this was not an isolated incident)

As far as design and style is concerned I feel as though the model line up from around the late 90's to early 00's was the best looking ever. I wasn't sold on the paint schemes, but the designs were my favorite. I am not sold on the 290SC from a looks standpoint, I agree with others that the windshield just doesn't look quite right although I think that could be ordered any way you like; I am however a big fan of the smoked lexan windscreens. I agree with Rippem that the integrated back platform on the 320 looked real nice and was functional to boot; I don't totally hate the bolted on platform on the 2860/280 though. I see someone commented on the bolster seats on newer models, I am not a big fan. I personally like the look and feel of the bolsters on the late 90' and early 00' boats, the new ones don't look good or feel good to me.

Obviously as stated earlier I love the bottom design, deep freeboard and ride of these boats. As far as the cuddy is concerned this is where I may differ from some others on the board. While I agree that a Velocity should be faster than most, if not all of other manufacturer boats with the same power I think that alot of options in the cuddy (or at least the ability to order them) is real nice. My wife and I like to overnight in our boat and it's nice to have amenities in the cuddy. In fact the new 290SC is appealing from an option standpoint. I think an enclosed head/sink is real nice. The only other Powerboat that I am aware of with the same options is the 26' Sonic.

As far as the 290SC being slower than other manufacturers with the same power, I have seen other members post the speeds that they have seen in a 290SC and they seem to be pretty fast with all the options. 290SC 496HO 72-73, 525EFI 80-82. Not too many other manufacturers with 29 foot boats that can run that well with the options offered that I am aware of.

The only other suggestion I can offer is that perhaps you should think about offering two separate "hull/body" options within each model or at least certain models. An example of this would be the 280 and the 290SC. One caters more towards a boat with more options and a slightly slower speed, the other would be a little more bare bones and be dedicated to the highest possible top speed. This is much like Baja does with the "Performance" series ala 272 and the "Outlaw" series ala 25 Outlaw.


Thanks for listening,


Jeff


BTW Ragged, I used to drool over your boat when boating in the 1000 islands. (Your old boat of course) Bad Ass :D

1Hyper1
 

You still got your 32? Have you talked to John lately? When are you gonna race that thing in P-4?

I heard Teddy finally sold the 32 and bought an Outerlimits, where are you guys doing most of your boating these days? I bought a 32 Scorpion in December, it needs some work, but as soon as I sell my 36 Sea Ray, I will down to play with you guys!

Terminal Velocity

P.S. You know your old Corsa is still sitting on a trailer not being used, what a waste!

They already do this.... the VR-1 is the same hull as the 290SC, just with a cut-down deck. Makes for a great handling boat!

I just happen to have a real nice one availalbe! :)