BAD BAD WILLY / KARLA / all american trailer manufacturers
03-04-2011, 08:16 AM
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I'm having a hard time understanding part of your original post:
I put half money down for a custom 50 foot trailer.
The boat was at Performance Marine in Florida. Willy knew Pat and the boat and what the boat looked like. I told Willy the only info I had on the weights is 18nrt?
Pat says it feels very heavy and heavy on his trailer.
Willy built me a trailer with 3 –heavy duty 7k axles and said it would be plenty strong.
So you told the guy the boat weighs 18nrt?? Did you know the actuall weight, or were you guessing at it?
A third party says it feels heavy on a trailer?? what exactly does this mean?
What kind of 50ft. boat are we talking about here? It strikes me as odd that any trailer manufacturer wouldnt go out of their way to verify the weight of something that they are building a trailer to transport, especially a 50' boat. WAY to much liability to be guessing. Secondly, I have personally verified the gross weight for every trailer I have had built just to make sure I'm on the same page with the manufacturer.
I'm not saying this is your fault, the guy your dealing with sounds like quite the D Bag, but as your original post reads there was too much guessing from both sides as to what the boat really weighed.
I put half money down for a custom 50 foot trailer.
The boat was at Performance Marine in Florida. Willy knew Pat and the boat and what the boat looked like. I told Willy the only info I had on the weights is 18nrt?
Pat says it feels very heavy and heavy on his trailer.
Willy built me a trailer with 3 –heavy duty 7k axles and said it would be plenty strong.
So you told the guy the boat weighs 18nrt?? Did you know the actuall weight, or were you guessing at it?
A third party says it feels heavy on a trailer?? what exactly does this mean?
What kind of 50ft. boat are we talking about here? It strikes me as odd that any trailer manufacturer wouldnt go out of their way to verify the weight of something that they are building a trailer to transport, especially a 50' boat. WAY to much liability to be guessing. Secondly, I have personally verified the gross weight for every trailer I have had built just to make sure I'm on the same page with the manufacturer.
I'm not saying this is your fault, the guy your dealing with sounds like quite the D Bag, but as your original post reads there was too much guessing from both sides as to what the boat really weighed.
03-04-2011, 08:47 AM
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I assume "Willy" is the Trailer Mfg. and Pat is the transporter?
The original post is such a nightmare that anyone removed from the transaction can barely follow it.
03-04-2011, 09:00 AM
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this place
http://www.allamericanboattrailers.com/
He knowingly built and charged me for a trailer that wouldn't work for my application.
http://www.allamericanboattrailers.com/
He knowingly built and charged me for a trailer that wouldn't work for my application.
03-04-2011, 09:22 AM
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Moral of the story, there are always two, and in most cases three sides to every story.
03-04-2011, 10:52 AM
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Here is a boat that weighes 18NRT. You should have sent them a picture
Description:
Reiger at Vlissingen on 12-10-2005
built at shipyard Le Comte,Vianen The Netherlands
(1970 and 1978, adapted in 2000)
Conventional pilot tender
Dimensions:Loa:23.37m; width 5.19m;draught: 2.84m
speed 13 kn; Bruto weight: 61 GRT
Net weight: 18 NRT
Propulsion:two 12 cylinder, 2-strike diesel engines, make:"GM Detroit", Type 12V71, total capacity:2 x 265 kW at 2.100 r.p.m.
2 "Lips" propellors.
Gears: 2 "Reintjes" gearboxes, type BGA 200 plus reduction of 2,478:1
Electric/hydronamic steering, make:"Soufflé", type H-1345 GZ,
Electrical installations:
24V generators at both engines, 1 Kohler type 11-5CCFOZ 230-400 V generator
Certificate of seaworthiness:
Nederlandse Scheepvaartinspectie
Operating area: 15 miles off Dutch coast
Hull: Polyester
Fuelcapacity 2 tons
Airconditioned Accommodation: 3 crew+12 pilots
Nautical and safety equipment:
- 2 "Sailor" type RT 2048 receiver/transmitters
- 1 Magnavox GPS MX 100
- 1 GMDSS type "Sailor VHR DSC RM 2042
- 1JRC Navtex receiver type NCR- 300A
- 1 "Bridgemaster 180" Decca radar
- 1 gyrocompass, "Sperry"
- 1 magnetic compass
- 1 "Stork Kwant" rudder indicator
- 1 loudhailer
- 2 searchlights
- 1 echolead
- 1 air whistle
Description:
Reiger at Vlissingen on 12-10-2005
built at shipyard Le Comte,Vianen The Netherlands
(1970 and 1978, adapted in 2000)
Conventional pilot tender
Dimensions:Loa:23.37m; width 5.19m;draught: 2.84m
speed 13 kn; Bruto weight: 61 GRT
Net weight: 18 NRT
Propulsion:two 12 cylinder, 2-strike diesel engines, make:"GM Detroit", Type 12V71, total capacity:2 x 265 kW at 2.100 r.p.m.
2 "Lips" propellors.
Gears: 2 "Reintjes" gearboxes, type BGA 200 plus reduction of 2,478:1
Electric/hydronamic steering, make:"Soufflé", type H-1345 GZ,
Electrical installations:
24V generators at both engines, 1 Kohler type 11-5CCFOZ 230-400 V generator
Certificate of seaworthiness:
Nederlandse Scheepvaartinspectie
Operating area: 15 miles off Dutch coast
Hull: Polyester
Fuelcapacity 2 tons
Airconditioned Accommodation: 3 crew+12 pilots
Nautical and safety equipment:
- 2 "Sailor" type RT 2048 receiver/transmitters
- 1 Magnavox GPS MX 100
- 1 GMDSS type "Sailor VHR DSC RM 2042
- 1JRC Navtex receiver type NCR- 300A
- 1 "Bridgemaster 180" Decca radar
- 1 gyrocompass, "Sperry"
- 1 magnetic compass
- 1 "Stork Kwant" rudder indicator
- 1 loudhailer
- 2 searchlights
- 1 echolead
- 1 air whistle
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03-04-2011, 03:09 PM
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MY Brain hurts
sales agreement doesn't state axle type or weight
just a basic decription of the build.
Sorry for some confusion
But it has been quite a pain
I was referred from mike from certifies sales to all American
I had ordered this trailer in 12/02/10 said it would only take 1 week
And be on the road.
Wily is the trailer builder and transporter.
Pat at performance marine stored the boat and has hauled the boat to his location.
Wily did a competitive bid on building and transporting the boat and trailer(combo deal).Willy told me he had talked to pat on weight and noted it was very heavy.
Only info I got from certified was 18nrt weight? Don’t know what that means.
I had put my trust in a builder with his recommendations. I thought he new what he was doing. I was wrong.
when he got the boat to his place he said every thing was good fine.
3 weeks later he says he had bent the axles moving the boat around on the trailer. (I told him it sounds like the axles are junk) he said there fine.
2 more weeks go by and he says he wants to add a 4th axle $$
I told him that the axles don’t seam strong enough he re assured me and said they are fine not to worry this will work.
2 more weeks go by still no word from wily and a many phone calls and messages.
They told me it was ready to go just wanted to know what fender I wanted.
They said that those wont work and went with the plastic one's fine.
Wily said he was all ready to go and loaded and just needed to be paid in full before he leave. I told wily I wanted copies of his permits before he left
I told wily that I needed some king of guarantee but would not agree to any.
But transfer the money so we can leave (so I did)
Tried to nail down a delivery date and arrival time.
Willy would not confirm a delivery date thru the whole process.
Many more phone calls no answer for a week.
I had called mike at certified sale and he got a hold of Bruce and said wily on his way.
A week goes by and finally wily calls and said he had to turn around in Oklahoma
Bent 2 axles.
In Oklahoma he told me he found a weight station and weighed the boat and trailer 30800lbs said he was over weight.
I said wily you told me you had to weigh the boat before you got permits? lie
I feel he never left to deliver the boat he just waited got all of his money
And now is asking for more/when does it end!
I did some searching for axles he said I had Dexter axles later he says I have Knox axles?
Last wed day he tells me it was in Alabama that bent the axles not Oklahoma?
He can’t even keep his story straight.
wishing for a solution
just a basic decription of the build.
Sorry for some confusion
But it has been quite a pain
I was referred from mike from certifies sales to all American
I had ordered this trailer in 12/02/10 said it would only take 1 week
And be on the road.
Wily is the trailer builder and transporter.
Pat at performance marine stored the boat and has hauled the boat to his location.
Wily did a competitive bid on building and transporting the boat and trailer(combo deal).Willy told me he had talked to pat on weight and noted it was very heavy.
Only info I got from certified was 18nrt weight? Don’t know what that means.
I had put my trust in a builder with his recommendations. I thought he new what he was doing. I was wrong.
when he got the boat to his place he said every thing was good fine.
3 weeks later he says he had bent the axles moving the boat around on the trailer. (I told him it sounds like the axles are junk) he said there fine.
2 more weeks go by and he says he wants to add a 4th axle $$
I told him that the axles don’t seam strong enough he re assured me and said they are fine not to worry this will work.
2 more weeks go by still no word from wily and a many phone calls and messages.
They told me it was ready to go just wanted to know what fender I wanted.
They said that those wont work and went with the plastic one's fine.
Wily said he was all ready to go and loaded and just needed to be paid in full before he leave. I told wily I wanted copies of his permits before he left
I told wily that I needed some king of guarantee but would not agree to any.
But transfer the money so we can leave (so I did)
Tried to nail down a delivery date and arrival time.
Willy would not confirm a delivery date thru the whole process.
Many more phone calls no answer for a week.
I had called mike at certified sale and he got a hold of Bruce and said wily on his way.
A week goes by and finally wily calls and said he had to turn around in Oklahoma
Bent 2 axles.
In Oklahoma he told me he found a weight station and weighed the boat and trailer 30800lbs said he was over weight.
I said wily you told me you had to weigh the boat before you got permits? lie
I feel he never left to deliver the boat he just waited got all of his money
And now is asking for more/when does it end!
I did some searching for axles he said I had Dexter axles later he says I have Knox axles?
Last wed day he tells me it was in Alabama that bent the axles not Oklahoma?
He can’t even keep his story straight.
wishing for a solution
03-04-2011, 03:27 PM
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sales agreement doesn't state axle type or weight
just a basic decription of the build.
Sorry for some confusion
But it has been quite a pain
I was referred from mike from certifies sales to all American
I had ordered this trailer in 12/02/10 said it would only take 1 week
And be on the road.
Wily is the trailer builder and transporter.
Pat at performance marine stored the boat and has hauled the boat to his location.
Wily did a competitive bid on building and transporting the boat and trailer(combo deal).Willy told me he had talked to pat on weight and noted it was very heavy.
Only info I got from certified was 18nrt weight? Don’t know what that means.
I had put my trust in a builder with his recommendations. I thought he new what he was doing. I was wrong.
when he got the boat to his place he said every thing was good fine.
3 weeks later he says he had bent the axles moving the boat around on the trailer. (I told him it sounds like the axles are junk) he said there fine.
2 more weeks go by and he says he wants to add a 4th axle $$
I told him that the axles don’t seam strong enough he re assured me and said they are fine not to worry this will work.
2 more weeks go by still no word from wily and a many phone calls and messages.
They told me it was ready to go just wanted to know what fender I wanted.
They said that those wont work and went with the plastic one's fine.
Wily said he was all ready to go and loaded and just needed to be paid in full before he leave. I told wily I wanted copies of his permits before he left
I told wily that I needed some king of guarantee but would not agree to any.
But transfer the money so we can leave (so I did)
Tried to nail down a delivery date and arrival time.
Willy would not confirm a delivery date thru the whole process.
Many more phone calls no answer for a week.
I had called mike at certified sale and he got a hold of Bruce and said wily on his way.
A week goes by and finally wily calls and said he had to turn around in Oklahoma
Bent 2 axles.
In Oklahoma he told me he found a weight station and weighed the boat and trailer 30800lbs said he was over weight.
I said wily you told me you had to weigh the boat before you got permits? lie
I feel he never left to deliver the boat he just waited got all of his money
And now is asking for more/when does it end!
I did some searching for axles he said I had Dexter axles later he says I have Knox axles?
Last wed day he tells me it was in Alabama that bent the axles not Oklahoma?
He can’t even keep his story straight.
wishing for a solution
just a basic decription of the build.
Sorry for some confusion
But it has been quite a pain
I was referred from mike from certifies sales to all American
I had ordered this trailer in 12/02/10 said it would only take 1 week
And be on the road.
Wily is the trailer builder and transporter.
Pat at performance marine stored the boat and has hauled the boat to his location.
Wily did a competitive bid on building and transporting the boat and trailer(combo deal).Willy told me he had talked to pat on weight and noted it was very heavy.
Only info I got from certified was 18nrt weight? Don’t know what that means.
I had put my trust in a builder with his recommendations. I thought he new what he was doing. I was wrong.
when he got the boat to his place he said every thing was good fine.
3 weeks later he says he had bent the axles moving the boat around on the trailer. (I told him it sounds like the axles are junk) he said there fine.
2 more weeks go by and he says he wants to add a 4th axle $$
I told him that the axles don’t seam strong enough he re assured me and said they are fine not to worry this will work.
2 more weeks go by still no word from wily and a many phone calls and messages.
They told me it was ready to go just wanted to know what fender I wanted.
They said that those wont work and went with the plastic one's fine.
Wily said he was all ready to go and loaded and just needed to be paid in full before he leave. I told wily I wanted copies of his permits before he left
I told wily that I needed some king of guarantee but would not agree to any.
But transfer the money so we can leave (so I did)
Tried to nail down a delivery date and arrival time.
Willy would not confirm a delivery date thru the whole process.
Many more phone calls no answer for a week.
I had called mike at certified sale and he got a hold of Bruce and said wily on his way.
A week goes by and finally wily calls and said he had to turn around in Oklahoma
Bent 2 axles.
In Oklahoma he told me he found a weight station and weighed the boat and trailer 30800lbs said he was over weight.
I said wily you told me you had to weigh the boat before you got permits? lie
I feel he never left to deliver the boat he just waited got all of his money
And now is asking for more/when does it end!
I did some searching for axles he said I had Dexter axles later he says I have Knox axles?
Last wed day he tells me it was in Alabama that bent the axles not Oklahoma?
He can’t even keep his story straight.
wishing for a solution
