Re: Fountain New Kilo Record by Miami Show!
Originally Posted by Dredgeking
I don't have any facts, but horsepower yesterday doesn't seem to equal horsepower today. I don't know if it's a measuring, calibration, calculation or instrumentation issue.
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Re: Fountain New Kilo Record by Miami Show!
Originally Posted by FeverMike
Fanatic, the fact...REAL FACT...is T2X can't explain this and he refuses to acknowledge these facts as well. He's REALLY the one drinking Kool Aid. Rich, I understand and know that Fountain uses these races and kilo's for there marketing department. OL and Sunsation hang there hats on a P-Class win as World Champs and Cigarette hangs there marketing hat on there past racing history as well..why don;t you lambaste them as well?
Oddly the same people who worship at one altar and are left disappointed seem to be first to belly up to the next......... T2x |
Re: Fountain New Kilo Record by Miami Show!
Originally Posted by Fanatic
Have some actual fact to back that up?
Also how about the HUGE weight difference between the pleasure boats and full race boat? My buddies 42 with twin merc was stripped to the bone. The closest you'll get to reality is the Mercruiser HP and they never claimed anything near 1500 HP, but their old 900 SC's were as fast or faster than anything else on the race course. Offshore is littered with wild dyno claims that didn't (and don't) hold up in real world use.......... But the 1075's seem to be right up there with anything else available today....unless of course you burn a little "fuel" to up the ante. I know nothing about your "buddies boat", but if you want to start a thread to delve into "he said-she said" that would be an appropriate forum. If your point is that a 9000 lb Fountain with true 3000 HP is faster than a 14000 LB Fountain with "claimed" 3000HP. I agree. If you fail to understand that a lighter boat, faster props, lower drag gearcases, and more HP creates speed regardless of changes in hull design ......... Than I've got a bridge to sell ya. T2x |
Re: Fountain New Kilo Record by Miami Show!
Originally Posted by T2x
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If you fail to understand that a lighter boat, faster props, lower drag gearcases, and more HP creates speed regardless of changes in hull design ......... Than I've got a bridge to sell ya. T2x |
Re: Fountain New Kilo Record by Miami Show!
Question for T2X and FeverMike:
All things being equal in terms of boat weight, power, props, X-dimension, gear ratio, rpm, deck "aerodynamics," conditons and driver ability, if a both a stepped V-hull and a conventional V-hull are riding on their last six inches of running surface and final third of their propellers blades, shouldn't their top speed be the same? A simpler way of asking this question might be: Once a stepped boat is riding on the final section of its running surface, how do the steps continue to enhance its top speed? Or is that a common misconception? For sure, if it's true their must be an explanation, and that explanation has to beyond a simple "it's just more efficient." Great discussion guys. Definitely not to be taken personally by anyone. Asking questions is a good thing. |
Re: Fountain New Kilo Record by Miami Show!
Originally Posted by T2x
I'm not lambasting anyone....I'm merely lamenting the need for some people on this site to deify ordinary men who possess an ability to self agrandize, be they boat manufacturers, APBA Offshore Chairmen, or boat racers.
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Re: Fountain New Kilo Record by Miami Show!
Originally Posted by 100-Plus
A simpler way of asking this question might be: Once stepped boat is running on the final section of its running surface, how do the steps continue to enhance its top speed?.
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Re: Fountain New Kilo Record by Miami Show!
So what you're saying is now that you're on the last two feet of hull, you have more power left to reach that "top" speed because, in a stepped boat, you got there more efficiently ... it took less power? So theoretically, I'd get to that last two feet of hull with more operating range (rpm) left in my engine. Right?
I've ridden in many, many stepped boats and I know the feeling you've described. And I understand how steps work in reducing wetted running surface. It's the final top speed part I've been a little hazy about. You might just have enlightened me, Mr. Duke. Thanks. |
Re: Fountain New Kilo Record by Miami Show!
Please explain more-
I took it as you will get to the same top end quicker? With the stepped hull it will take less power to get there because of less resistance but the same amount of power for both boats to go the same speed once on the back 2 feet. |
Re: Fountain New Kilo Record by Miami Show!
But if the boat is so powerful that it rides on just the last two feet...and there's no steps in those last two feet...wouldn't a non stepped boat with the same HP been able to achieve that hyper speed?
So what's steps got to do with speeds that bring them completely out of the water? |
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