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Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2550838)
El Boss ....... 36 Cig Sport class.... 30 Shadow Sport class. The owner, Willie Diaz, had both and chose the Shadow for the entire 1982 season...rough or calm...and beat a number of 36 Cigarettes (White Heat, etc).
P.S. with identical aluminum Eickhert engines the cat was 36 mph faster Maxon 30' Chris Cat.....Open class 1985-86.......... against various Cigarettes............. and Apaches. Various modified Chris cats and Shadows..... versus Wild Turkey 36' Modified Cigarette. etc, etc, etc, Nice try.......... Wrong debate:p T2x |
Originally Posted by Von Bongo
(Post 2550019)
Boy that's different than I was quoted. A 26 daytona with a 496ho is about an 80 MPH boat, and it was between 3 and 4K plus the tres course.
Never even came close to $1000 on my 28 pantera that ran close to that. 30 years of boating, never a claim, married with children, 760 credit scores, last speeding ticket was 15 years ago. You must have a source other than Merkel. I have mine with them but they typically won't insure a a first time cat owner and you still need to have gone through and passed a course like Tres' offers, which is well worth the investment in my opinion. All said and done it was still around $5600.00 with a 6 month lay-up, designated driver policy and inland waterway's only, not including Tres's course... Even if you could find someone else to write the policy at a lower premium they probably wouldn't cover what you need if there was a claim. |
In the late 80s I ran a 30 Chris Cat . We consistently beat the 41 Apaches , Gigarettes , 12 meters etc . in any water conditions .
In 1990 at Virginia beach we placed second in nasty water to a big V hull and trailed by only 30 seconds , with a snapped off trim hose I might add . Ask any throttleman how hard that is , talk about feathering the throttles . The cat / v debate will never end . Once I got in the cat I never looked back . To each his own and respect for all . As far as danger is concerned let's face it speed kills , the faster you go , the faster you may go . |
Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2550817)
Cats ride smoother than vees..to the point that you need to stand up in a small vee or risk injuring your back...versus cats that all have seats........ a 24 Skater has much less impact than a 24 vee in racing conditions.......
Cats slap up to about 40 or 50 mph, which while fast for a vee, is a "transition speed for cats Michael |
Originally Posted by fountain4play
(Post 2550898)
I have mine with them but they typically won't insure a a first time cat owner and you still need to have gone through and passed a course like Tres' offers, which is well worth the investment in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by aex
(Post 2551166)
In the late 80s I ran a 30 Chris Cat . We consistently beat the 41 Apaches , Gigarettes , 12 meters etc . in any water conditions .
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Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin
(Post 2551516)
Stop by sometime. We'll pop in a couple of my old Needle Nose video tapes and you can watch the Apaches motoring past all the cats in heavy water.
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Originally Posted by stainless
(Post 2551528)
Are you aware that it was T2x who was flying in the helicopter and narrating those old Needle Nose Video tapes ? See what he has to say on this topic in his previous posts !:D :party-smiley-004:
Yes, I do. I was at many of those races as well. Like I said, you can come and watch the tapes. When it was really rough, the big vees were passing cats. Did the cats blow past on the inlet legs of the course- sure. |
Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin
(Post 2551567)
Yes, I do. I was at many of those races as well.
Like I said, you can come and watch the tapes. When it was really rough, the big vees were passing cats. Did the cats blow past on the inlet legs of the course- sure. What made that performance such a slam dunk was the fact that the Skater was so much smaller than the Apache. I also remember the great Bobby Idoni, in Lorne Liebel's Apache CAT....running heads up with Billy Martin in an Aluminum CUV vee bottom (one of the best rough water hulls ever) in stormy seas on Lake MIchigan. While there may still be a debate in some minds, to me the discussion ended regarding cats and rough water in the early 80's. The only caveat, I have, regards the West Coast cats, which came on the scene in the early to mid 90's and barrel rolled, stuffed, and slogged there way along, and generally put the progress that other cat builders (Cougars, Shadows, Skaters, Jaguar, etc) made back at least 20 years. and while they fill the pages of our major magazines seemingly every month, they are still the same combination of awkward lines, poor forward entry and faulty aero and hydro dynamics that characterized them from day one. T2x |
T2x , do you remember the year on that one? (Ocen City, MD) We ran there in 92 with us offshore and it sounds like the same race . Remember the whiplash 28 skater ?
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