SBI Unlimited Class Offered New Schedule for 2015
03-01-2015, 06:59 PM
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2 of the 4 races the Slot Teams had to commit to are no longer being run by SBI so it seems the Slot idea is DOA.... ?
03-01-2015, 11:15 PM
#52
OK, why is this sport so hard to manage? Especially in this day and age...Its not rocket science, or is it? Its powerboat racing where there should be rules and the racers make the boat fit the class. It seems that the organizers try to appease too many boat owners to make the sport fit the boat. Why not make it simple and let the boat owners make their boat fit the class they want to race in?
WHY is this so difficult? Here we are watching the sport decline, year after year goes by and its getting beyond stupid... i mean 1, maybe 2 boats on a class? Thats embarrassing.
WHY not keep it simple. 3 or 4 classes with class rules and its done. WHY not just go back to basics. Create a class that makes sense, design rules that make sense, and quit trying to appease all and let the racers build there boat to meet class objectives. Quit over-thinking.
Where did it all go wrong?
WHY is this so difficult? Here we are watching the sport decline, year after year goes by and its getting beyond stupid... i mean 1, maybe 2 boats on a class? Thats embarrassing.
WHY not keep it simple. 3 or 4 classes with class rules and its done. WHY not just go back to basics. Create a class that makes sense, design rules that make sense, and quit trying to appease all and let the racers build there boat to meet class objectives. Quit over-thinking.
Where did it all go wrong?
Last edited by jusabum; 03-01-2015 at 11:18 PM.
03-02-2015, 06:55 AM
#53
OK, why is this sport so hard to manage? Especially in this day and age...Its not rocket science, or is it? Its powerboat racing where there should be rules and the racers make the boat fit the class. It seems that the organizers try to appease too many boat owners to make the sport fit the boat. Why not make it simple and let the boat owners make their boat fit the class they want to race in?
WHY is this so difficult? Here we are watching the sport decline, year after year goes by and its getting beyond stupid... i mean 1, maybe 2 boats on a class? Thats embarrassing.
WHY not keep it simple. 3 or 4 classes with class rules and its done. WHY not just go back to basics. Create a class that makes sense, design rules that make sense, and quit trying to appease all and let the racers build there boat to meet class objectives. Quit over-thinking.
Where did it all go wrong?
WHY is this so difficult? Here we are watching the sport decline, year after year goes by and its getting beyond stupid... i mean 1, maybe 2 boats on a class? Thats embarrassing.
WHY not keep it simple. 3 or 4 classes with class rules and its done. WHY not just go back to basics. Create a class that makes sense, design rules that make sense, and quit trying to appease all and let the racers build there boat to meet class objectives. Quit over-thinking.
Where did it all go wrong?
03-02-2015, 07:31 AM
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And as we know the rules can change by authorities at any time, at promoters discretion.
03-02-2015, 08:54 AM
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For those who haven't read the original news story, it's probably worth a look, http://speedonthewater.com/in-the-ne...edule-for-2015, especially the first paragraph. SBI was considering killing the class because of low turnout and high attrition—two constants that challenge the viability of the class, period. In essence, the concept was to push or incentivize (depending on your perspective) Unlimited class teams into making more regular season races, not simply the bare minimum, and then showing up at the Key West Worlds. As evidenced by the lack of takers, the concept did not succeed. But it's fair to say that SBI has a wide and diverse constituency to please, and it's rare that everyone in a given class is on the same page.
03-02-2015, 10:02 AM
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I,m sure it was done this way before OSS did it to apba llc.
But that is pretty much the real problem, racers will NOT follow the organizations lead.
If nascar took this approach it would not be here .
Its you guys .You get classes you want , then for one reason or another
you boycott them .and we ( fans ) show up and see one or two of you show up to race .
Its annoying at best .
The older boats have a good place to go and play.Their system works on their local level very well.
4 classes is all you need .( extreme should be done in lotto )
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03-02-2015, 10:04 AM
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The last several years fans are up and leaving after the third lap of EXTREME class
due to attrition .which = boring.
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:The last several years fans are up and leaving after the third lap of EXTREME class
due to attrition .which = boring.
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03-02-2015, 11:01 AM
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Class A 43 to 55 feet
1.) 52 MTI Cat
2.) 50 Nor Tech Vee
3.) 46 LS Scarab
4.) 46 Skater
Class B 36 to 42 feet
1.) 42 Chief
2.) 42 Cigarette
3.) 41 Apache
4.) 41 Sabre
5.) 40 Outerlimits
6.) 40 MTI cat
7.) 38 Cigarette
8.) 38 Sea Hawk
9.) 38 LS Scarab
10.) 37 Active Thunder
11.) 36 Skater
Class C 29 to 35 feet
1.) 35 Fountain
2.) 35 Fountain
3.) 34 Phantom
4.) 33 Avanti
5.) 33Sutphen
6.) 33 Skater
7.) 32 Cobra
8.) 30 Predator Cat
9.) 30 Sonic
10.) 30 Sonic
Class D 18 to 30 feet
1.) 29.6 Fountain
2.) 28 Ghost
3.) 28 Magnum
4.) 28 Magnum
5.) 26 Scarab
6.) 28 Skater
7.) 27 Baja
8.) 22 Toasty
9.) 18 Donzi
A conversation at the Miami Boat show made us aware of another Outerlimits and another Cigarette that is very interested.
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________
HORBA has been trying to get some traction in bringing back Old School racing. The above is a list of people who have told us they would be interested in running in the Don Aronow Around Long Island Race of 271 miles on August 22, 2015.
In addition to the full race for the 271 miles, we have started a RALLY for teams made up of four boats each. Each boat would race for 1/4 of the 271 miles distance and the winning team would get recognized with different trophies and "record time" for the RALLY.
WHY?
Offshore racing began as a way for boat manufacturers to demonstrate that their product was better than the competition simply because it ran faster and finished real world ocean running. This produced sales for the manufacturer and improvement for the boating public.
All of the nitty gritty details of engines and steps and all the things that go into making up rules were pretty much bypassed in the old days. Build a really high horsepower engine and you could be fast for a while, but you didn't seem to make it to the end of the race. And you could not win one of these races unless you finished. Navigation was important because you were out of sight of land for much of the race. Strategy was important because you never wanted to show your whole hand until the last stage of the race and you knew you had nothing to lose. You win an old school race and everyone knew you worked hard at it for hours, often alone with no other boats in sight, as you followed your own compass course, in the belief that you had made the right estimation of currents and winds and tides.
Many of the old school guys came up through the APBA ranks of racing outboard powered boats and then moving into SK type boats. We raced circle racing and we raced enduro racing, 9 hour and 500mile stuff. Those of us that loved enduro style moved up tp Ocean racing easily.
We simply want to make an option for racers. It doesn't all have to be circles.
1.) 52 MTI Cat
2.) 50 Nor Tech Vee
3.) 46 LS Scarab
4.) 46 Skater
Class B 36 to 42 feet
1.) 42 Chief
2.) 42 Cigarette
3.) 41 Apache
4.) 41 Sabre
5.) 40 Outerlimits
6.) 40 MTI cat
7.) 38 Cigarette
8.) 38 Sea Hawk
9.) 38 LS Scarab
10.) 37 Active Thunder
11.) 36 Skater
Class C 29 to 35 feet
1.) 35 Fountain
2.) 35 Fountain
3.) 34 Phantom
4.) 33 Avanti
5.) 33Sutphen
6.) 33 Skater
7.) 32 Cobra
8.) 30 Predator Cat
9.) 30 Sonic
10.) 30 Sonic
Class D 18 to 30 feet
1.) 29.6 Fountain
2.) 28 Ghost
3.) 28 Magnum
4.) 28 Magnum
5.) 26 Scarab
6.) 28 Skater
7.) 27 Baja
8.) 22 Toasty
9.) 18 Donzi
A conversation at the Miami Boat show made us aware of another Outerlimits and another Cigarette that is very interested.
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________
HORBA has been trying to get some traction in bringing back Old School racing. The above is a list of people who have told us they would be interested in running in the Don Aronow Around Long Island Race of 271 miles on August 22, 2015.
In addition to the full race for the 271 miles, we have started a RALLY for teams made up of four boats each. Each boat would race for 1/4 of the 271 miles distance and the winning team would get recognized with different trophies and "record time" for the RALLY.
WHY?
Offshore racing began as a way for boat manufacturers to demonstrate that their product was better than the competition simply because it ran faster and finished real world ocean running. This produced sales for the manufacturer and improvement for the boating public.
All of the nitty gritty details of engines and steps and all the things that go into making up rules were pretty much bypassed in the old days. Build a really high horsepower engine and you could be fast for a while, but you didn't seem to make it to the end of the race. And you could not win one of these races unless you finished. Navigation was important because you were out of sight of land for much of the race. Strategy was important because you never wanted to show your whole hand until the last stage of the race and you knew you had nothing to lose. You win an old school race and everyone knew you worked hard at it for hours, often alone with no other boats in sight, as you followed your own compass course, in the belief that you had made the right estimation of currents and winds and tides.
Many of the old school guys came up through the APBA ranks of racing outboard powered boats and then moving into SK type boats. We raced circle racing and we raced enduro racing, 9 hour and 500mile stuff. Those of us that loved enduro style moved up tp Ocean racing easily.
We simply want to make an option for racers. It doesn't all have to be circles.
03-02-2015, 02:32 PM
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Frank, .... "Jusabum" is correct ,,,,,,,,,,,,,. Every year, the rules change with motor options, changes in gear ratios, props, data loggers, with modifications year after year. And then when a team is victorious , they are continually slapped with penalties and parity rules, in attempt to punish the over achievers.
And as we know the rules can change by authorities at any time, at promoters discretion.
And as we know the rules can change by authorities at any time, at promoters discretion.
Hmmm, as an example did this not happen to the "TKO Team" a few years back. HORBA great effort, wish your organization the ultimate success, in fact I may enter the Rally.
03-02-2015, 04:48 PM
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Why is it they can't bring back factory racing? Keep it simple. Everyone rubs same motor. Ilmore merc whatever. Just use one and be done. The whole way up to cats. Sure they won't run as fast butit sure would make it easy.
