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I have re-read this entire post and frankly it is pretty sad. It started out with pictures a boat that everyone agreed was a beautiful piece of hardware. And then turned into a WW bashing melee. And to bring someone wife into the conversation WTF are you thinking????

I usually will stay out of these discussions for I am a pretty mild mannered guy and get along with everyone, but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.

I have been with Jim and Mary on WW for almost every major poker run they have attended. They have never treated anyone with disrespect or ever talked bad about anyone or there rides. They have never bragged when thay have beat someone, and are the first compliment someone when they passed us.

My wife and I consider Jim and Mary some of our closest friends. I witnessed the tauntings that took place at the LEOPA poker run and frankly they were bull$hit. These are two people who have never hurt anyone or said a cross word to anyone. It is pretty sad when you have a nice boat and certain people (you know who you are) have to be that way. This sport is about fun and being with good friends and it is a shame that a small group of people can turn it into a "grudge run" just because someone else has a fast boat and it doesn't happen to be a Lipship Cigarette!!!

Just to set the record straight, yea I do own a cigarette and happen to like it very much (now:D), But you will never catch me telling someone they can't raft off of me because they don't have a Cig. You will never catch me telling somebody that my boat is better because it is a cig.

This is a sport and should be fun. I have met almost all of my closest friends (including Jim and Mary) because of boating, and I wouldn't have it any other way. This sport has some of the greatest people involved with it and it is a shame that some "I'm better than you" types can ruin it for the good people.

Sorry for the rant, but it was way overdue.

Dan Burtscher

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Well said """Half/Nutz"" I agree 100% ,, we all are very lucky to have Jim and Mary as Friends... and ,,, There is no argument as to the Boat!! All boats are not created equal,,, Thank goodness for that. I mean think about it ,, How would u like to be compared to Capt O????

Look forward to seeing all soon ,,, :D :D :D

Roger and Steff

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Dan, quality job on the post. It was time well spent. Still wondering how this post got to this point? Maybe OSO needs another forum so people can fight."for fighters and Bit3hers only". :rolleyes:

I have been on my share of poker runs. I did my first with the LEOPA gang last year and they are first class. I am not one of the most personable person in the world but these guys did everything possible to make a stranger feel at home. I did not meet Jim or Mary but hanging with that group they cannot be bad people.

Let's get back to talking about the 39! :D

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I will honestly agree :) , but it's still a lake. I have been on Lake Michigan and spend LOTS of time on the Atlantic. A huge misconception is that the ocean is like sand dunes and uniform all the time. So not true. The ocean is THE OCEAN. It can be short choppy waves or long fun waves. I completely agree that the Great Lakes get rough as hell, but it's ludacris to imply they can compete with the 2nd biggest body of water in the world.

Yes the Great lakes are very rough and fun as hell, but the ocean is the ocean, period. One or two weekends in the Biscayne Bay a Winter doesn't count.

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Rog, ... c'mon, flatery will get you nowhere !?!?!?! :D :drink:

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The above post by Vern was the one I thought was out of line, I don't have a problem with WW's post at all. I think OSG was responding to Vern's post as well. My.02

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Well put. The Pacific cam be calm one minute and then very nasty the next. I have nothing but respect for the water everytime I venture out into the ocean. :cool:

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I've met folks that think the Sarasota run was rough last April. Cmon, I had 3 girls in the boat running 70 mph the whole way, and one friend running damn near 90 in his boat, the WHOLE WAY. It was MAYBE 2-4's with the occasional 5. I heard guys claiming 5-7's. :rolleyes: It's a testosterone thing for some folks, much like the actual top speed of their boats. :eek: :D :D

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Hey guys ... no argument that any BIG body of water must be respected to some extent (lake, ocean, ect...) . People do however tend to underestimate Lake Erie when they've not yet experienced her wrath ... Just ask the OL XXX guys about their last trip here on the North Coast ! :eek: :eek: :eek:

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Twin Step. No argument. That's why I reposted at 5:01 to be clear in both context and intent. I didn't like the way the post sounded. I'm sure that the ocean can be a beyotch. These lakes up here are sneaky though. It's a bad thing to get caught in 8 footers when you are in 6 feet of water. :D


Dan... actually we've spoken, you just wouldn't connect it with the boat.
I didn't mean to dip into LEOPA business, it just seemed like that experience was so far outside my own that fair was fair. Seemed as good a time as any to thank LEOPA for the goodwill I have experienced.

I'll make sure to track you down next season.