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Old 09-29-2005, 03:31 AM
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Would that be hardcoat anodizing like in roots type blowers?
Ha ha You have exposed me. But fraid to say answer is yes and no. It is a derivation with impregnation. I can give a full explanation of protective finishes if everyone wants , then you can impress your buddies down the bar .
Heres a tip for you that not everyone knows. If you have coloured anodising that is looking tired clean it with lanolin or a hand cream that contains lanolin. It will not only protect the surface it will really shine. If you have stained anodising use lemon juice then apply lanolin. I can explain why if you dont believe me
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The product was originally for fuel and the steering hydraulic oil. I would not use it for the main engine oil. Yes it bolts onto the strainer, and the benefit is that unlike other coolers out there in strainers is that it is completely seperated from the main water source.

Also remember that aluminium sinks heat 6x more than stainless steel so in effect we can get away with 6x less surface area. Same priniple as the pump.

I must admit that I was asked by a customer to include cooling in our strainers. My first reaction was what a crap idea, I must admit though it works .
Oh well , cant be right all the time. Im the man without a mobile phone , just dont see the point. Maybe its me , maybe i need therapy , who knows? . Sorry got to go and take my medication now and wear that jacket with the long sleeves that tie up at the back!!!!!!!. Talk to fred hes sane!!.
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What about sand running thru it??

And will it fit the 500efi w/off shore mounts withthe Keith Eichhert oil pan>?


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You can run sand throught the pump or gravel for that matter. You might score the housing with the gravel, but the impeller will be in tact and pumping water.

Sorry Jules.....I think Rob was directing that to you Mr Wizard.
Sand and gravel is childs play. I will tell you a true story. The pump when we first developed it was looked at by a company named after a planet. Lets assume that the planet was Uranus.

Well when at uranus, KPM took a pump that had been on our test rig. It did not smell to good because of the rubbish we put in our test tanks. Oil,gas, etc. Any way when they stripped the pump to have a look inside the boys from uranus got all excited and stated that they had discovered how we make the pump run dry. Dan asked what it was ???. They pointed to flakes of metal in the impellers and claimed that we had impregnated the impeller with metal flakes.

Dan explained that the metal had actualy come from one of our tests which included running the pump dry for 1 hour at 2000rpm. These were the original impellers. ??? You should have seen the face change at uranus. This was just disbelief.

I swear to god this is a true story , if you do not believe me speak to Dan Rhodes he was there.
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Sand and gravel is childs play. I will tell you a true story. The pump when we first developed it was looked at by a company named after a planet. Lets assume that the planet was Uranus.

Well when at uranus, KPM took a pump that had been on our test rig. It did not smell to good because of the rubbish we put in our test tanks. Oil,gas, etc. Any way when they stripped the pump to have a look inside the boys from uranus got all excited and stated that they had discovered how we make the pump run dry. Dan asked what it was ???. They pointed to flakes of metal in the impellers and claimed that we had impregnated the impeller with metal flakes.

Dan explained that the metal had actualy come from one of our tests which included running the pump dry for 1 hour at 2000rpm. These were the original impellers. ??? You should have seen the face change at uranus. This was just disbelief.

I swear to god this is a true story , if you do not believe me speak to Dan Rhodes he was there.
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Now why did you chose the Planet Uranus ?
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Originally Posted by Raceangel77
Sand and gravel is childs play. I will tell you a true story. The pump when we first developed it was looked at by a company named after a planet. Lets assume that the planet was Uranus.

Well when at uranus, KPM took a pump that had been on our test rig. It did not smell to good because of the rubbish we put in our test tanks. Oil,gas, etc. Any way when they stripped the pump to have a look inside the boys from uranus got all excited and stated that they had discovered how we make the pump run dry. Dan asked what it was ???. They pointed to flakes of metal in the impellers and claimed that we had impregnated the impeller with metal flakes.

Dan explained that the metal had actualy come from one of our tests which included running the pump dry for 1 hour at 2000rpm. These were the original impellers. ??? You should have seen the face change at uranus. This was just disbelief.

I swear to god this is a true story , if you do not believe me speak to Dan Rhodes he was there.
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Will it fit a 500efi with offshore motor mounts and a Keith Eichert oil pan?With out fabrication ?

Between last year and this I prob went thru 9 merc kits At least I was getting them at dealer cost. 629.00

Also have your tested to see if there is a water pressure differance between your pump amd a Merc.??????


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Now why did you chose the Planet Uranus ?
Sorry this is typical English humour , I apologise if I have offended anyone. pluto is not the same
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Sorry this is typical English humor , I apologize if I have offended anyone. pluto is not the same
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Just messing with ya .jules you cant offend me


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Jules, We have never met, but I just want to say, I think you have some pair of B@lls, coming here, especially now, tooting your horn about your warranties on your pumps when you know for a fact, there are critical issues with them right now!!! You don't mention anywhere the your pumps are literally falling apart. That the shaft and the mandrel that hold the pulley are both Aluminum that is held by a couple of tiny set screws. You didn't mention how the torque from a big HP motor strips the shaft and the pulley falls off in the bilge.Or how the mandrels aren't milled perfectly round so they wobble and cause the set screws to round out the set screw hole in the shaft until they melt the aluminum shaft. You also didn't mention how one well know member has been having problems with these pumps. How he has already had 5 pumps fail, one which failed, was sent back to you, you denied knowing of any problems, you sent the pump back saying it was rebuilt only to have it spinning the pulley, 10 minutes into a poker run causing tour customer to overheat his brand new $60,000 engine. You also didn't mention that Gary Teague, Extreme Marine, Sterling, Cobra Power plus several others have had these problems. How Bob Teague tried the pumps and sent them back to you. Your also bragging about the run dry factor. Which basically is due to the fact the impeller isn't offset like the ones in the Mercury and Eickert pumps so they don't have the same friction OR the SAME VOLUME OR PRESSURE as the other pumps and they take twice as long to prime the system, getting the motor much hotter then the other pumps you tested and "know them better then their own manufactures do". I know all of this for a fact! I was working in the shop were the boat was that had 5 pump failures. You kept assuring your customer every time you sent him a new pump, the problem was fixed. You caused that poor guy more headaches then anyone should ever had. He had both of his $60,000 motors overheat multiple times, which was the reason his engine builder voided his warranties with less the 15 hours on BRAND NEW, gorgeous motors. This week he just had Eickert pumps put on his motor. The pumps caused him to break down on the Sarasota run, the fort Myers run, The Hawks Kay run AND The Destin run.
Jules, the last thing you should be doing is bragging about your garbage pumps.You are full of S**T! I tried to take pictures of the pumps to post the photos of the destroyed shafts but the owner of the boat wouldn't let me out of respect for someone else. The reason I'm posting this, I don't want this to happen to anyone else AND when the problem first happened, you blamed my brother that installed one of the pumps as well as the shop he works for. Anyone that wants to know the real story on these pieces of crap, Call Gary Teague. Sterling had to modify every single pump so these pulley wouldn't sheer of the shafts. YOU KNOW THERE IS A PROBLEM with both the old design AND the NEW 3 set screw and small key-way design.
P.S. You also didn't mention how the same poor customer, bought your Bellhousings which were not only drilled with the wrong size holes, the trans cooler cores don't fit in them and how they have cracks in the casting causing water to go inside the bell housing, rusting the input shaft on the tranny and ruing the seal causing the fluid to run out of the transmission buring up a brand new Bam transmission. Then, even after admitting you know about these problems, you never helped YOUR customer a bit. He had to by a new tranny with NO help from you. Anyone can call Bam to Verify. You blamed Sterling for sending you a modified belhousing which you copied rather then a stock one, that's why the coolers don't fit. That is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard!
Be honest with these people JULES!
I only wish I could get the owner of the boat to post on this. He is very well known here. YOU cost him thousands of dollars in repairs, down time and wasted Poker run trips and you have done NOTHING but lie to him! SHAME ON YOU!

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Jules, We have never met, but I just want to say, I think you have some pair of B@lls, coming here, especially now, tooting your horn about your warranties on your pumps when you know for a fact, there are critical issues with them right now!!! You don't mention anywhere the your pumps are literally falling apart. That the shaft and the mandrel that hold the pulley are both Aluminum that is held by a couple of tiny set screws. You didn't mention how the torque from a big HP motor strips the shaft and the pulley falls off in the bilge.Or how the mandrels aren't milled perfectly round so they wobble and cause the set screws to round out the set screw hole in the shaft until they melt the aluminum shaft. You also didn't mention how one well know member has been having problems with these pumps. How he has already had 5 pumps fail, one which failed, was sent back to you, you denied knowing of any problems, you sent the pump back saying it was rebuilt only to have it spinning the pulley, 10 minutes into a poker run causing tour customer to overheat his brand new $60,000 engine. You also didn't mention that Gary Teague, Extreme Marine, Sterling, Cobra Power plus several others have had these problems. How Bob Teague tried the pumps and sent them back to you. Your also bragging about the run dry factor. Which basically is due to the fact the impeller isn't offset like the ones in the Mercury and Eickert pumps so they don't have the same friction OR the SAME VOLUME OR PRESSURE as the other pumps and they take twice as long to prime the system, getting the motor much hotter then the other pumps you tested and "know them better then their own manufactures do". I know all of this for a fact! I was working in the shop were the boat was that had 5 pump failures. You kept assuring your customer every time you sent him a new pump, the problem was fixed. You caused that poor guy more headaches then anyone should ever had. He had both of his $60,000 motors overheat multiple times, which was the reason his engine builder voided his warranties with less the 15 hours on BRAND NEW, gorgeous motors. This week he just had Eickert pumps put on his motor. The pumps caused him to break down on the Sarasota run, the fort Myers run, The Hawks Kay run AND The Destin run.
Jules, the last thing you should be doing is bragging about your garbage pumps.You are full of S**T! I tried to take pictures of the pumps to post the photos of the destroyed shafts but the owner of the boat wouldn't let me out of respect for someone else. The reason I'm posting this, I don't want this to happen to anyone else AND when the problem first happened, you blamed my brother that installed one of the pumps as well as the shop he works for. Anyone that wants to know the real story on these pieces of crap, Call Gary Teague. Sterling had to modify every single pump so these pulley wouldn't sheer of the shafts. YOU KNOW THERE IS A PROBLEM with both the old design AND the NEW 3 set screw and small key-way design.
P.S. You also didn't mention how the same poor customer, bought your Bellhousings which were not only drilled with the wrong size holes, the trans cooler cores don't fit in them and how they have cracks in the casting causing water to go inside the bell housing, rusting the input shaft on the tranny and ruing the seal causing the fluid to run out of the transmission buring up a brand new Bam transmission. Then, even after admitting you know about these problems, you never helped YOUR customer a bit. He had to by a new tranny with NO help from you. Anyone can call Bam to Verify. You blamed Sterling for sending you a modified belhousing which you copied rather then a stock one, that's why the coolers don't fit. That is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard!
Be honest with these people JULES!
I only wish I could get the owner of the boat to post on this. He is very well known here. YOU cost him thousands of dollars in repairs, down time and wasted Poker run trips and you have done NOTHING but lie to him! SHAME ON YOU!
So why have the military and coast guards just specified them. I would also like to mention that we know all the other troubles that your customer has had. Would you like me to post the full list and the name of your company. No I dont think that you do. Gary Teague does not even no who you are and has never spoken to you.
Stop blaming your incompetence on other people , and quoting our customers that we continue to supply with no issues.

Your games have not achieved anything since by highlighting us as you have done more people went to our web site to have a look . Lucily they have made their own mind up and our sales have increased.
Thankyou jules
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