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Old 10-27-2022, 09:12 AM
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Plan on getting a bigger boat next year, looking for an older wave crusher for Lake Michigan. Looking for 35ft +, ideally 38ft, was curious of everyone's opinions on what to go with. I've had my eyes on a few older cigs (35 mistress and 38 flat decks, 38 top gun),a 390 Sutphen, 38 Scarab KV, and a Formula 382 SR1. I'm coming from a 292 Fastech which simply isn't enough boat for what I want. Looking to stay under $80k. Would like to hear everyone's personal opinions on all of these boats and others you may recommend. Any input is appreciated!
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Everybody knows I'm a bit biased, and it is outside your stated budget, but this seems like a really nice ride that fits your needs pretty well.

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Frank,

Everybody knows I'm a bit biased, and it is outside your stated budget, but this seems like a really nice ride that fits your needs pretty well.

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Old 10-27-2022, 09:38 AM
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Pm 1MOSES1 he has a real nice looking 38 Cigarette I think in your price range.
I agree! You said you are looking for a 38' wave crusher right? Here you go. The Scarabs are nice boats but one has TRS drives.. no thanks and the other has 502 mpi's with 522 hours. Sutphen boats are amazing and I am a big fan but they are dated looking and I think the resale will be tougher. Buy the right hull and engine and drive package. All the boats discussed and listed have dated paints but this subjected and could easily be changed with a wrap or some paint work. Again my vote is a Cigarette. The rigging is superior to the others with a proven rough water hull and when it comes to resale it will bring a bigger audience. Cigarette is often imitated never duplicated as the ad says.
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often imitated. Never duplicated…not to mention the adoration from the public!!!! 🥸



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Old 10-29-2022, 04:07 AM
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I agree with Pagraig, hogieroll, and 4195. Drive a Sutphen before you buy. JMO and 8 years driving one, the boat handling, the speed, the solid yet quick manuverabiity whether at speed or just cruising is sooo predictable and solid. They were designed for offshore racing conditions. Also the ease of moving around the boat with the wide gunnels even makes all the difference, everyday, all day when tying fenders or tying up. The hatches to the cabin are much easier to go through, at least on my 2000 32ft they are. Some other boats may be as good. A Lot are Not.

If i can find it it will attach a 4 page test that Boat Test Magazine did on this boat, the 32 Sutphen.
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Where are you boating usually, conditions, driving style, speed your looking for? That will make a big difference in the hull and hardware needed...

There seems to be alot of 39 Sutphen's getting stripped out and sold for parts... #6 and arneson boats -- why is that? I was told that they get squirrely above 85-90mph -- i've never been in one

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A friend of mine has a 39 sutphen for sale on facebooks marketplace.
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Originally Posted by 4195
I agree! You said you are looking for a 38' wave crusher right? Here you go. The Scarabs are nice boats but one has TRS drives.. no thanks and the other has 502 mpi's with 522 hours. Sutphen boats are amazing and I am a big fan but they are dated looking and I think the resale will be tougher. Buy the right hull and engine and drive package. All the boats discussed and listed have dated paints but this subjected and could easily be changed with a wrap or some paint work. Again my vote is a Cigarette. The rigging is superior to the others with a proven rough water hull and when it comes to resale it will bring a bigger audience. Cigarette is often imitated never duplicated as the ad says.
The cig is the slowest unfortunately, aside from the straight bottom formula. A step scarab or formula sells for a similar price and will blow them away.
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The cig is the slowest unfortunately, aside from the straight bottom formula. A step scarab or formula sells for a similar price and will blow them away.
having been in a few 382 formulas and scarabs…they don’t ride nearly as solid and smooth as a flat bottom gun. sure they may be faster…but OP was looking for a wave crusher. Also show me a stepped formula that’s less than 80k.
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Originally Posted by 1MOSES1
having been in a few 382 formulas and scarabs…they don’t ride nearly as solid and smooth as a flat bottom gun. sure they may be faster…but OP was looking for a wave crusher. Also show me a stepped formula that’s less than 80k.
Markets a little warm still but 2 382s and 4 353s under 90k on BT.
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